One thing about Yoda that always bother me in ROTS

[yaohua0106]

Just when was Yoda learning how to become a Force Ghost in the ROTS?  If it happened before he told Anakin to let go of his loved ones and be happy for them, then I have to say it seemed the becoming a Force Ghost thing is the same thing that destory his claim about "one with the Force"? Should not he also be happy that he was dead too? Is it

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[forcewatcher]

There's a scene in the ROTS novel that couldn't be filmed due to Liam Neeson being in a motorcycle accident at the time. The lost scene in question, Qui-Gon touches Yoda's mind from beyond the Force after Yoda's fight with Sidious. That's why in the movie he tells Obi-Wan that he has more training "from an old friend." During Yoda's exile on Dagobah, he actually becomes Qui-Gon's padawan, as does Obi-Wan on Tatooine. If you listen to Qui-Gon in Ep. I, his teaching match Obi-Wan's in Ep. IV and Yoda's in Ep. V, even though Qui-Gon was the maverick outsider of the Order. This is why. But he couldn't teach anyone else because this was after Order 66, so the other Jedi were pretty much dead or in hiding.

Becoming one with the Force isn't attachment, it's reunion with the energy that spawned you. It's quite a bit different.

[yaohua0106]

It still seems a little cheating for me...Because become one with the Force is suppose to lose all your self and become nothing but Force, so you are not you anymore, yet with the Force Ghost, he is still himself. If it is not some sort of attachment, why did he choice not to give himself up to the Force? Why did he change his mind? Yes, I konw about Sidious,but that still is a attachment, right? I gusee I just don't see become with the Force and become a Force Ghost as the same thing.

[forcewatcher]

There's no cheating involved. In the SW Universe, this is as natural as it gets. The idea is that you return to the Force from whence you came, but if you're powerful enough you can maintain your personality and manifest it in the physical world for a time so as to guide others. It's not a permanent thing, you're just simply a manifestation of the Force for a short time. What happens after you can no longer do that is still very much a mystery. It's assumed there's a next level of existence for those who figure it out. Nobody has a clue what that might be, except of course, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin.

If you're not going to choose becoming one with the Force, then the only options you have are immortality or oblivion. This is the quest of the Sith - immortality, because oblivion is pointless after amassing all that physical power. Because they are the imbalance in the Force, becoming one with the Force is denied to them.

[yaohua0106]

I guess I see become with the Force as oblivion, not some heaven that you live happy after just can not manifest yourself in the physical world, because if you lost all your personality and just become this energy that we called Force, it is as good that your existence are oblivion. But then we never see what dead people are like besides the Jedi Force Ghost, so who knows? Have GL ever tell us what is like to be dead-yet-not-Ghost in SW?