i know the moment when the abandonment looked a lot like flight.

[youcallitwinter]

I have written eight fics in a week. eight.

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I am never getting over anything, anything, ever.

Also, I didn't initially realize this but it's:

[spoiler.]You're out of my life, forever.

bookended with:

Come back to me. Always.

excuse me while i go jump off something. [but I have seen nearly every city from a rooftop without jumping. we were never

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I agree with your everything, basically. Saying that the VMars movie is "antifeminist" somehow... Yeah. It is, if you use a very narrow definition of feminism.

(I'm sorry this isn't a very intelligent comment, but I honestly have nothing to add to what you said.)

ETA: Also, you should write ALL THE FIC, and I feel super bad that I haven't read it yet :(. I'm so behind on reading! But I'm superstitously afraid to read VMars fic until I've finished writing the one I'm working on now.

[youcallitwinter]

YES, like what even is 'antifeminist' anyway; that Veronica coming back for Logan (...who may end up on death row, like) is Not What Young Women Should Be Doing? While all throughout it's pretty clear that it's the Figuring Things Out that's kinda keeping V going and not that Logan's at the end of it. She would have probably done the same for anyone, not even kidding.

OMG, I NEED TO STOP WRITING ALL THE FIC. I think I'm done for a while now and you don't need to feel bad at all, I have yet to read so much too, including your newest!!

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Apparently some people missed the memo that second wave is over, and we do intersectionality now? Veronica Mars has always been about both gender and class, and it's impossible to understand the gender of it unless you also take class into account.

YOU NEED TO WRITE ALL THE FIC ALWAYS OMG. And my newest is a monster that isn't even fully done yet :(.

[youcallitwinter]

And I LOVE how nuanced it is; it has its faults and its politics and its flaws, but at least it tries. Like we've seen rich, white men go scot free for their crimes in Neptune tons of times, but we've see the other side too, Logan (as a rich, white male) getting beaten nearly to death or his burned down for a crime that he didn't commit, but because the anger at his acquittal was the breaking point, since so many of 'his kind' DID get acquitted as well for crimes they DID commit. It's fascinating, truly. As is the angle about people wanting placeholders for issues instead of wanting to find the real person.

SAME GOES DOUBLE FOR YOU. AND OMG, I AM EXCITED ABOUT DYSFUNCTIONAL BABY FIC OKAY.

[youcallitwinter]

E X A C T L Y. Like, I know there are some fictional works where the authors are so enamoured of their own creations and identify so strongly with them that it's obvious that there's a huge disconnect between what you see and what you're clearly meant to see. But in most good narratives, there's a distance; and in that case where the characters' words are taking at face value, it's just super frustrating, because judging the characters on basis of something that is clearly their perspective divorced from that of the text they exist in seems so pointless. The characters are NOWHERE close to being The Absolute Voice of Truth, they're necessarily limited and it's not necessary that the way they see something is the way it's being presented at all!

Thank you so much! <3333

HAI DERE

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You’ve written eight fics? DUDE THAT’S FUCKING AWESOME. I am now extremely grateful to this movie that I haven’t even seen because it’s gotten your ficish juices flowing. YES. Your fic is my favourite thing, ect. ect. Now I’m going to go read it.

I will also tentatively mention that I agree with your above rant, though I can’t be sure because obvs. I’m yet to see the film. However, just dubbing a character as Not Feminist Enough is more often than not problematic. The movie is a legit bit of fanservice (that’s what fans paid for so ofc. it’s right that it should be), and I can understand the frustration of somebody invested in the character of Veronica but not in the movie’s OTP, but still, uhhhhmmm… declaring a character is antifeminist because she threw her career away for a boy is just, NO. Shut up.

OMG HAI, IT'S YOUUUUU

[youcallitwinter]

DUDE, I HAVE WELL AND TRULY LOST IT. Like, I legit wrote some total 20,000 words in total and I don't even know what is wrong with me. YOU ARE MUCH TOO KIND ETC.

Yesss, the Not Feminist Enough thing really got to me. Also, because there's a lot of issues where you can talk about the failure of vmars in feminist terms (Madison Sinclair's arc definitely) but to say that the antifeminist part is exactly what makes Veronica Veronica? Like, I think reading it through an OTP-lens or anti-OTP-lens like this person does is limited because OTP aside, I don't see how someone can be invested in Veronica's character and then not see that the whole plot is centered around her character, and who she is, boy or no boy. I can understand feeling protective of a favorite like "nooooo, get out of this hell-hole and build a good life" as people who love her, like Keith, are bound to feel, but to term that 'feminism' seems a bit much

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WRONG? Dude, nothing is wrong! That is actually amazing, I envy that

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[youcallitwinter]

Haha, you should def not envy that considering I did it at the expense of eating, and sleeping and my education :P

I get what you mean, and tbh I ship Veronica/Logan hardcore, so it's not like I'm unbiased there AT ALL. There are some ships where I can be all 'live and let live' but Logan and Veronica (individually and together) are not those characters or that ship, I always have a need to go; NO THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE WRONG.

But, idk, maybe it's that I def don't think the shipping was any reason for deterioration (like, they were barely together at all in S2 and the original ending planned for the show if it got cancelled after S2 was Veronica going for Duncan at the end, and the show was working along those lines.) I can understand feeling like Logan's a burden or holding Veronica back etc., what got me riled was the idea that it makes Veronica less of a feminist icon because she chose the wrong guy and gave up her life or whatever. And, in the matter of what you said about people wanting something for their faves, I'm so

[vergoldung]

clapping in real life

so i still haven't seen the movie and prob wont lbr but i agree so hard with everything you say regardless

preach that shit

[youcallitwinter]

i am much gladness at your agreement, chingu

you should though, otpppppppp

AMEN.

[vergoldung]

alex told me that it was not worth it if i didn't catch up with the rest of season 3 first and since i'm too distracted for that...

btw i'm have two eps of full house thai left, so now would be the time for you to start crying about me/9e2o again. js. except if there is another show on the list now?

[youcallitwinter]

alex is correct, though lots of people apparently saw it w/o knowing a thing and liked it.

NO, NO, NO OTHER SHOW. 9E2O BEFORE ALL ELSE OKAY. Although, I have to say, I adored I Need Romance, 2012 as well. But 9E2O is the show of my heart, there are no words for how much I love it, honestly.

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lol WTAF is that article. That blogger is everything we don’t need in “feminism” (read: basic af White Feminism). I hope they lose their job tbh.

YOU, I LIKE.

P.S. Just saw your comment about S5 Alicia/Will. I FEEL DATZ NGL, although I’ve always shipped them, THE WRONG!SHIP FEELS THEY ARE OVERWHELMING. (BUT ALSO I AM TEN MILLION YEARS BEHIND SO SAY NOTHING.)

[youcallitwinter]

The movie is a story about how Veronica Mars, Feminist Role Model, threw away her career for a boy--a sharp departure from the initial feminism of the series

ughhhh, I cannot even with this. Like, Veronica Mars is in no way obligated to be your Feminist Role Model jfc. (Also, I feel like every time this argument is used, the 'feminism' is contained to Veronica being 'sharp-witted' and 'kickass' and not 'allowing herself to be a victim' and 'not needing anyone' which is such anti-feminist bs.) And I don't see how anyone could actually have SEEN the movie and say that Veronica threw her career over for a boy. That's just...really, really terrible comprehension skills. :s

I LIKE YOU TOO.

PS. I AM ALSO FAR BEHIND TBH, although I'm totally gaining ground. I used to ship Alicia/Will far back in the day, REALLY far back, but Kalinda/Cary's always been the only ship I was really invested in. Now, though, in S5, I'm apparently shipping A/W super hard. Like. WRONG!SHIP FEELS ALL OVER THE PLACE.