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It feels like a whole lot of your concerns deal with the characters being in their twenties, instead of their thirties. I don't know about Jim Kirk, but William Shatner was 35 when Star Trek first aired
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It seems like Bones whined a lot more in the original series than he did in this movie. I remember thinking as a little kid that all Dr. McCoy did was whine about being a doctor. I think if I'd seen him smuggle Kirk onto a starship, inject him full of crazy shit willy-nilly, and chew out his commanding officer, I'd have felt better about him.
I... wait, what? Is that the extent of your argument, seriously? An anecdotal almost-story about some guy whose dad was murdered? You seriously don't think loving parents have anything to do with self-sufficiency or being well-adjusted? If that's true, then there's nothing wrong with growing up in a foster home, and all the people, including grown foster children, who insist that being adopted by loving parents is so much better than the hellish shithole of foster homes are either lying or horribly misinformed. I stand by my claim - most of your plot objections are easily explained away by "alternate reality."
I could argue specifics about women in Star Trek, but I was really talking about female characters in general. They're a shitload more self-sufficient than the swooning armpieces our parents grew up watching.
eh, okay then. i also direct you to this side of paradise; however, one might reply with, "well, he was high on those spores". okay, whatever, high on spores, polywater intoxication, seeing one's planet destroyed - these are all situations sufficient to "emotionally compromise" spock. spock gets emotional, kirk has to insult him to bring him to his senses. it's ridiculous, but it's canonical.
this side of paradise as well as all our yesterdays show that spock likes tail.
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Jim Kirk knows that Spock loves his mother...
how does he know that at the time the film is set? that seems like an irrelevant complaint. they had just met. Kirk and Spock of 2267 may have this relationship, but why would one assume Kirk and Spock of 2258 know this?
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Jim would never slap Spock on the shoulder and declare "We're gettin' to know each other already!" Kirk goofs around with his crew, but not in this way.that actually seemed in character to me. this is subjective. so, there is really no reason to discuss
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3. in the movie spock mentions, as a reason for going on the away mission to the narada, that vulcan and romulan language and culture are similar. at the time of balance of terror nine years later the relationship between vulcans and romulans was not known (this revelation was actually a significant plot point); however, i suppose this could be rebutted by claiming that nero's time incursion caused the federation to investigate the romulans more closely than they had in the prime universe.
I am cutting and pasting some of my impressions of Star Trek from a number of places. When what I have said is a response to something someone else has said, I will include a brief summary of what was said to provoke my response. Here:
Corona Coming Attractions user Baelzar lamented the number of times Pine's Kirk "gets his ass beat." I respond:
It's an obnoxious staple of prequels for them to go out of their way to show you how Character X just isn't quite him/herself, yet. Consider Casino Royale's pre-smooth Bond not giving a damn how his martini is mixed, pre-World's Greatest Detective Batman getting burned like a chump and having to jump out a window while collecting samples/evidence in Batman Begins, Young Indy not knowing how to use a whip in Last Crusade, Obi-Wan being a hothead and Li'l Ani spinning because it's a "neat trick" in Phantom Menace (the next time we see him spin, it will be because Han Solo shot his ass from behind), Vito being small-time in Godfather II, Logan weeping like a bitch and being a constant softy
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Some Easter eggs were more forced than others. Letting us know how Bones gets his nickname was too much. Dammit, Kurtzman and Orci, he's a doctor! There's your explanation right there. ("Sawbones" is a pretty common nickname for a doctor
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(This one doesn't have much to do with Star Trek. I have thrown in a link to a Star Trek-themed YouTube video to make up for this.)
A recent clip from Lost tells me that the folks in the Abrams crew don't appreciate the original Star Wars trilogy's structure as much as they should.
It could all be chalked up to Hurley's . . . whatever (here's where I admit that I have only seen three or four episodes of Lost; from what I understand, though, he is supposed to be somewhat childlike/naive), but I take issue with his assertion that Luke and Vader could have talked everything out in/on Bespin. Vader needed to witness the Emperor killing Luke before he could turn back to the Light Side, and Luke needed 1.) to have the emotional security of knowing Leia and Han were back with the Rebellion and fighting, and 2.) to confront the Dark Side fully by having the threat of Leia being turned waved in front of his face
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The most self-sufficient person I know is a guy whose father was murdered.
I also don't see the women in this movie as self-sufficient and free, any more than the men.
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I could argue specifics about women in Star Trek, but I was really talking about female characters in general. They're a shitload more self-sufficient than the swooning armpieces our parents grew up watching.
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You're right.
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I think my take on the film still holds.
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this side of paradise as well as all our yesterdays show that spock likes tail.
you wrote (before rot13'ing):
Jim Kirk knows that Spock loves his mother...
how does he know that at the time the film is set? that seems like an irrelevant complaint. they had just met. Kirk and Spock of 2267 may have this relationship, but why would one assume Kirk and Spock of 2258 know this?
you also wrote:
Jim would never slap Spock on the shoulder and declare "We're gettin' to know each other already!" Kirk goofs around with his crew, but not in this way.that actually seemed in character to me. this is subjective. so, there is really no reason to discuss ( ... )
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3. in the movie spock mentions, as a reason for going on the away mission to the narada, that vulcan and romulan language and culture are similar. at the time of balance of terror nine years later the relationship between vulcans and romulans was not known (this revelation was actually a significant plot point); however, i suppose this could be rebutted by claiming that nero's time incursion caused the federation to investigate the romulans more closely than they had in the prime universe.
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Corona Coming Attractions user Baelzar lamented the number of times Pine's Kirk "gets his ass beat." I respond:
It's an obnoxious staple of prequels for them to go out of their way to show you how Character X just isn't quite him/herself, yet. Consider Casino Royale's pre-smooth Bond not giving a damn how his martini is mixed, pre-World's Greatest Detective Batman getting burned like a chump and having to jump out a window while collecting samples/evidence in Batman Begins, Young Indy not knowing how to use a whip in Last Crusade, Obi-Wan being a hothead and Li'l Ani spinning because it's a "neat trick" in Phantom Menace (the next time we see him spin, it will be because Han Solo shot his ass from behind), Vito being small-time in Godfather II, Logan weeping like a bitch and being a constant softy ( ... )
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A recent clip from Lost tells me that the folks in the Abrams crew don't appreciate the original Star Wars trilogy's structure as much as they should.
It could all be chalked up to Hurley's . . . whatever (here's where I admit that I have only seen three or four episodes of Lost; from what I understand, though, he is supposed to be somewhat childlike/naive), but I take issue with his assertion that Luke and Vader could have talked everything out in/on Bespin. Vader needed to witness the Emperor killing Luke before he could turn back to the Light Side, and Luke needed 1.) to have the emotional security of knowing Leia and Han were back with the Rebellion and fighting, and 2.) to confront the Dark Side fully by having the threat of Leia being turned waved in front of his face ( ... )
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