Oh thank god. I was beginning to think I was the only one out there that wasn't totally in love with that episode. Maybe it's because I'm at the family home for the week and I ended up having to watch it with my dad (he takes the joy out of my shows like whoa), but except for the paper, rock, scissors, the sex and Sammy's crying at the end, I was like 'eh?. That was a really quick resolution on whether there's any way to avoid killing her.' Not that I disapprove of the angst!emo, I like angst, but in this case it felt kinda gratuitous to me. Oh and hi, btw. *waves sheepishly* I really love your fic, but I haven't commented for a while, so sorry if this seems really random. And yes, I'm sure next time Dean's totally gonna go for paper ;P
I watched it with half my family roaming around me... and babies crying and diapers being changed ;) So I totally get where you're coming from!
ahahaha, I think he's still going to go for scissors. Because now he thinks that Sam thinks he will go for paper, which is what he wants Sam to think, but really he's going to go for scissors again. hee. Funny, Dean seems like a Rock kind of guy to me.
and hello!!! thank you :) random niceness is always welcome! ♥
Yes, families should be banned from the tv room and let in only when they are prepared to assist in the hardcore fanning going on ;) See, I think that has got to have been Dean's thinking for a while now, which Sam is totally on to because that second "two out of three" one he knew to still go for rock. So I bet that happened all the time growing up. You'd think Dean would learn ;P Oh good. I'm glad that didn't come off as weird :)
Good point about it being kind of silly that the only reason she didn't change the first night is because she didn't go to sleep.
I was also underwhelmed. Too many anvils, the girl didn't do much for me, her relationship with Sam didn't do much for me, and the weepfest at the end really, really, really didn't work for me at all. Fewer tears would have been far better.
*nod* I mean, there was *something* there to work with, you know? And it seemed like they just dusted that under the rug for the sake of having the emo-fest at the end.
I didn't like the girl, either... I feel like they tried too hard to make her 'perfect'. Perfect hair, perfect makeup, perfect condo... and doing things like daring to fold her teeny tiny lace panties in front of some stranger. It felt forced.
I didn't like the girl, either... I feel like they tried too hard to make her 'perfect'. Perfect hair, perfect makeup, perfect condo... and doing things like daring to fold her teeny tiny lace panties in front of some stranger. It felt forced.
Agreed. At the end, I felt sorry for her, but in a "Huh, bummer" kind of way, not a "Oh my gosh, that's so, so sad" way.
You didn't like the weepfest? Tell me more...?It was just too much. Overkill, IMHO. I didn't feel like Sam's connection to the girl/his personal issues was strong enough to merit all of that weeping. And I didn't really buy Dean shedding tears. I can see how he would have been emotional because he felt bad that Sam had to do this Terrible Thing, and/or because he was thinking about being in this spot himself one day, having to kill Sam, but still ... Dean was too emo, IMHO
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I wish things had been more subtly done. Yeah. Though SPN isn't exactly known for its subtlety ;) I was surprised at Sam's full-on crying, but it did work for me... in context with the emotional rollercoaster he'd just been on, I didn't think it was out of character. Dean, on the other hand... yeah, his patented shiny-eyes would have worked, too.
i kinda felt the same way. most of the episode didn't do much for me (i really wanted to know why madison never wolfed out and how she managed to NOT change that one night), and i wasn't really surprised at any of the werewolves. also i'd been spoiled for the sex scene and kept waiting for it to happen. >.< i did like madison, altho i didn't like that she was very clearly designed to be a. the perfect girl for sam, and b. the vehicle through which the boys (and us) got to deal with sam's potential darksidedness. the whole human/monster thing was heavy-handed with the correspondences between madison and sam. and while i usually like the random lighthearted bits, a lot of the horndog!dean seemed forced and silly. (but the rock paper scissors was genuinely cute.) also? dean really didn't need the one perfect tear at the end. we got enough of sam breaking down, we didn't need to see it so obviously on dean's face as well.
i think it was deirdre_c whose reaction was basically "i can't tell if this was a good episode or a bad episode" and
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i really wanted to know why madison never wolfed out and how she managed to NOT change that one night
I think Dean had the throw-away line about that... something like she had to go to sleep before the transformation would occur.
Also, (and this just occurred to me now), why didn't Sam just call Dean about Madison wolfing out and running off on him? Why waste time running (or jacking a car?) over to the motel? Possibly Sam was afraid Dean would go hunting for her on his own and wanted to prevent that. Or maybe (and I just thought of this right now) Dean had celebratory strippers in the room and wasn't picking up his phone ;)
I guess I had problems with the story execution which threw me out of the episode... I kept glancing at the clock and thinking, "oh, there's enough time for a makeout session... ooh, there it is."
But Jared and Jensen never fail to deliver the goods when they're in a scene together, and I chalk up feeling wrecked (in a good way) after the ending to that.
i must have missed that line. >.< sounds like maybe they could've worked with it for a cure, tho. they let it go too easily.
>>Possibly Sam was afraid Dean would go hunting for her on his own and wanted to prevent that. Or maybe (and I just thought of this right now) Dean had celebratory strippers in the room and wasn't picking up his phone ;) <<
hee! i'd agree with both of those. :D also i'd guess sam went to get dean because he wanted to physically be there when he told dean what happened, so they could look for madison together instead of meeting somewhere or something. or he panicked. (sort of "oh fuck, dean will know what to do next." but less of a conscious thought and more of a gut feeling.) but i do like the idea of celebratory strippers, and dean just didn't answer the phone so sam HAD to go fetch him. i mean, really, this IS dean we're talking about.
pretty much all the sam/dean scenes were good, but they always are. they really are an amazing team.
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Oh and hi, btw. *waves sheepishly* I really love your fic, but I haven't commented for a while, so sorry if this seems really random.
And yes, I'm sure next time Dean's totally gonna go for paper ;P
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ahahaha, I think he's still going to go for scissors. Because now he thinks that Sam thinks he will go for paper, which is what he wants Sam to think, but really he's going to go for scissors again. hee. Funny, Dean seems like a Rock kind of guy to me.
and hello!!! thank you :) random niceness is always welcome! ♥
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See, I think that has got to have been Dean's thinking for a while now, which Sam is totally on to because that second "two out of three" one he knew to still go for rock. So I bet that happened all the time growing up. You'd think Dean would learn ;P
Oh good. I'm glad that didn't come off as weird :)
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I was also underwhelmed. Too many anvils, the girl didn't do much for me, her relationship with Sam didn't do much for me, and the weepfest at the end really, really, really didn't work for me at all. Fewer tears would have been far better.
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I didn't like the girl, either... I feel like they tried too hard to make her 'perfect'. Perfect hair, perfect makeup, perfect condo... and doing things like daring to fold her teeny tiny lace panties in front of some stranger. It felt forced.
You didn't like the weepfest? Tell me more...?
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Agreed. At the end, I felt sorry for her, but in a "Huh, bummer" kind of way, not a "Oh my gosh, that's so, so sad" way.
You didn't like the weepfest? Tell me more...?It was just too much. Overkill, IMHO. I didn't feel like Sam's connection to the girl/his personal issues was strong enough to merit all of that weeping. And I didn't really buy Dean shedding tears. I can see how he would have been emotional because he felt bad that Sam had to do this Terrible Thing, and/or because he was thinking about being in this spot himself one day, having to kill Sam, but still ... Dean was too emo, IMHO ( ... )
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i think it was deirdre_c whose reaction was basically "i can't tell if this was a good episode or a bad episode" and ( ... )
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I think Dean had the throw-away line about that... something like she had to go to sleep before the transformation would occur.
Also, (and this just occurred to me now), why didn't Sam just call Dean about Madison wolfing out and running off on him? Why waste time running (or jacking a car?) over to the motel? Possibly Sam was afraid Dean would go hunting for her on his own and wanted to prevent that. Or maybe (and I just thought of this right now) Dean had celebratory strippers in the room and wasn't picking up his phone ;)
I guess I had problems with the story execution which threw me out of the episode... I kept glancing at the clock and thinking, "oh, there's enough time for a makeout session... ooh, there it is."
But Jared and Jensen never fail to deliver the goods when they're in a scene together, and I chalk up feeling wrecked (in a good way) after the ending to that.
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>>Possibly Sam was afraid Dean would go hunting for her on his own and wanted to prevent that. Or maybe (and I just thought of this right now) Dean had celebratory strippers in the room and wasn't picking up his phone ;) <<
hee! i'd agree with both of those. :D also i'd guess sam went to get dean because he wanted to physically be there when he told dean what happened, so they could look for madison together instead of meeting somewhere or something. or he panicked. (sort of "oh fuck, dean will know what to do next." but less of a conscious thought and more of a gut feeling.) but i do like the idea of celebratory strippers, and dean just didn't answer the phone so sam HAD to go fetch him. i mean, really, this IS dean we're talking about.
pretty much all the sam/dean scenes were good, but they always are. they really are an amazing team.
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