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Dec 13, 2004 04:56

if we're so much greater than animals,
why do we value life above honor?

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such_things December 13 2004, 11:06:16 UTC
i don't think most animals have the capability to "value".

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musicsavy December 13 2004, 14:13:30 UTC
so much about animals
you have to value life about honor because one is *contained* within the bounds of the other.
some people put honor before life (martyrs) but they're less respectable than we give them credit.

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zoniha December 14 2004, 13:08:02 UTC
everything has life, and no one wants it. life is a default, and has no intrinsic value. as human beings with capacity for formal thought, we are inevitably more than a simple biochemical process. our actions and choices, and how they affect those around us, change our peers' perception of our persona, and earn us respect or distain. honor is a measure of what we have accomplished, not what we've been given, and verily, a more valuable factor to existence.

on a side note, how exactly is martyrdom not worth the respect it entails?

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madzientist December 15 2004, 12:17:18 UTC
"life is a default, and has no intrinsic value"
that seems an antinomy. what has value without life? we're greater than the animals because we can control them for our own ends. that must be recognized. we create the value of things... the value of honor.

"honor is a measure of what we have accomplished"
a measure for who to see? for who to determine? honor is a joke because its essence is temporary/subjective. life is the only thing worth supporting because it would be self-contradictory to say that we should live to support anything but life.

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economica zoniha December 15 2004, 13:21:09 UTC
; life is a given in all situations, it is effectively irrelevant. the value of anything, whether it be life-influenced or not, is independent of life's value because life is a default, and is factored out of any calculations involving its subprocesses. how can we help but live? the only alternative is self-obliteration through suicide or assimilative synthesis ( ... )

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nastynate3313 December 13 2004, 15:57:55 UTC
Good question. If you haven't already, you should read Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse.

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karma_chica December 13 2004, 21:05:18 UTC
i agree. great book.

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ninagail December 13 2004, 17:48:03 UTC
you are very "deep". complex.

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chronowarp December 13 2004, 20:51:24 UTC
Nikk, we've gone over this.

Of course. It's because of the giant Kharlan tree, jeez.

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