As an Exception, You Always Should

Jun 02, 2006 21:32

Greetings once again! One week from now, I shall (hopefully) be in the States! Work in the warehouse and in the lab continues to go well... the balancing act is definitely... interesting... for having to try to make sure both my employers are happy with the hours and days I work. It's funny, when Professor Steele found out I was working in the ( Read more... )

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thewowisnow June 3 2006, 05:28:53 UTC
KING'S QUEST VI.

DO MY EYES DECEIVE ME, DOES SOMEBODY SHARE MY NERDY CHILDHOOD LOVE FOR THE KING'S QUEST SERIES.

A;SDLFKJSA;DLKFJ

Did you know there were multiple ways to complete the game? And, did you make it to the Land of the Dead? Not crucial to completing the game, but sweet, and it's impossible to gain a perfect score without it.

-Kev-
On another note, I did Nietzsche for an ISU awhile ago, part of which featured his notion of the Ubermensch. It's interesting, but the ubermensch is ultimately incompatible with mainstream society. Plus, the idea of an ubermensch is totally incoherent as a moral philosophy - it's neither normative nor descriptive. What the hell is the ubermensch as a moral agent anyway?

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i_am_the_owl June 3 2006, 08:58:38 UTC
See below for a partial explanation.

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zorander22 June 3 2006, 21:34:53 UTC
Yes, I too love the King's Quest series... it's great to recognize another fan!

Yeah, I went in to the Land of the Dead. I can't remember if I had a perfect score, but I'm pretty sure I got the happiest ending! I think that was my first real computer game... it's etched in to my memory now ;) I'm getting a friend to play it, so it's fun reliving it through her!

I think it's an interesting concept... and I think the next shift, or next evolution people have to make is a spiritual or moral evolution. It seems to me that Nietzsche couldn't find the basis for morality, and he fell in to entirely interpretation.

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i_am_the_owl June 4 2006, 15:44:16 UTC
It's a moral evolution; it's accepting the responsibility for existance and all aspects therein (including, ironically, traditional evolution).

But, please Eris no, not a spiritual revolution.

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i_am_the_owl June 3 2006, 08:58:03 UTC
I think you're making collective morality more complicated than it needs to be:

While being individuals ourselves, our actions directly affect dozens of people around us, and indirectly hundreds and perhaps thousands more. Thus, a societal morality not only makes good sense, but is necessary to move beyond Locke and Rousseau's so-called Natural State. This separates individual morality (subjective) from social morality (objective). The latter applies to everyone while the former is personal, and should never be umbrellaed on to other people.

That being said, you must realize that the uebermensch must create his own morality (also: reality). Ordinary morality, after all, is for ordinary people, which the overman supercedes (by possessing the ability to actively affect reality). Ergo, the overman's subjectivity becomes objective ( ... )

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zorander22 June 3 2006, 21:45:50 UTC
I must admit that while I've read (some) Rousseau... namely "On the Origin of Inequality", I haven't extensively read Locke... so if it seems I'm misinterpreting, you may have to explain some things to me. For example, I don't really understand what you mean by an individual morality which is subjective and a social morality which is objective. Is it basically your personal beliefs compared to the laws/beliefs of society? How/why is social morality objective and applicable to everyone ( ... )

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i_am_the_owl June 4 2006, 15:33:55 UTC
Societal morality is objective in the sense that it acknowledges that actions which affect others can not be subjective (as subjectivity implies individual effect). Ergo, actions that affect the whole (universal in opposition to individual), even in part, must be objective. But, it is also important to recognize that just because something is on a societal scale (a law, for example), it is not necessarily objective simply because of that; time and time again, individuals push their subjective agendas through. I recommend reading Locke's Second Treatise on Government.

There are a lot of flaws with calling Neo the overman, but there are a lot of flaws with the Matrix's philosophy, too. Do we all have the ability to alter reality? That's one of the imporant questions about this whole concept (it assumes free will, at least from God, but that's because of Nietzsche's premise ( ... )

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zorander22 June 4 2006, 21:57:12 UTC
Ah, ok. Thank you for clarifying that. I'll definitely read that Treatise of Locke's.

I base much of my thought on the assumption that we do have free will. Given that we have free will, we then have the ability to alter reality... though I do agree the concept of free will is problematic.

I recognize the deaths of thousands of people is sometimes necessary... moreso, I recognize the deaths of billions is neccessary. It's part of life. I don't believe killing people is ever the best way though, but if I was convinced, then yes... because to me, I wouldn't be ordering the deaths of thousands of people, but saving many, many more. I will not sacrifice an entire world for the sake of one person. "Lower down" people may have the luxury of caring only about their immediate friends and family, but that is due to shortsightedness, as opposed to a fundamental shift in morality... at least that's my opinion.

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Childhood toys sublunamsusurri June 4 2006, 05:40:32 UTC
On an unintellectually debateful note, its Lite Brite and it rocked ;) Oh the good old days of unphilosophically challenged childhood where the biggest question was how to stick coloured pegs into a predrawn pattern, and the hardest thing was to wing it ;). Sorry, that wasn't too brilliant, well okay it was brilliant in the light aspect but not the thinking.. I'll stop now.

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Re: Childhood toys zorander22 June 4 2006, 22:00:22 UTC
Ah, right! Lite Brite... thank you... I remember the commercial, it went something like "Lite Brite, Night Bright, turn on the magical coloured light". Good times ;) I can not remember a time when my life was so easy as to only stick coloured pegs in to a pattern though... alas, I was born with the gift and the curse of wondering about the world.

LOL, don't worry about not having a philisophical point or a new idea. I'm always happy to have people post, even if it's only just to say "Hi!" or something. Awesome icon btw... I'll hand in your resume tomorrow :)

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Re: Childhood toys sublunamsusurri June 6 2006, 20:52:22 UTC
Have you watched much of stargate? I can't recall... but it is you who hasn't watched Firefly right, silly boy.

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Re: Childhood toys zorander22 June 6 2006, 23:48:05 UTC
Yes, I haven't watched Firefly, but I have watched a fair amount of StarGate... not all of it, but a fair amount :) Are you watching Atlantis nowadays? How'd the interview go?

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galena417 June 8 2006, 02:01:56 UTC
Daniel,
First, I have to admit that I skipped the section on Nietzsche, as I don't think my brain is up to it right now - I couldn't even spell it right without looking!

Second, thanks for clarifying that I'm not old, but some mornings I sure do feel that way.

You make some great points in the ABCs...when I have some free time I'll definitely be looking into it more - I did an entomology course at York with a great prof who also taught a course just on the hymenoptera - the social insects.

Lastly, I totally agree with you on the two becoming one-ish. There's the "couple" part, which is a "one", but each of you in the couple is also still a "one", and it's best if you both maintain some of your "one-ness". =)

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zorander22 June 8 2006, 02:19:47 UTC
That's ok :) I'm glad you read any of it at all! I've been accused of having... long posts before. It's good to see you online again, I was beginning to think you decided LJ wasn't your thing!

You're definitely not old. Maybe you look younger than you are... but I don't think I'm the best at judging people's ages :)

Thanks, I thought they were good points too :) Wow, that's really awesome... I didn't even know they did whole courses on social insects! I'll definitely have to look in to that, when I finish off a major and PhD or something... and take some science courses again.

I'm glad that makes sense... hopefully one day I'll get to experience something like that to last.

Oh! Right! I just remembered, I need to look for that book! See you possibly tomorrow, depending on how the search goes... I can't believe that, I had it the week before I started work :S

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galena417 June 8 2006, 11:48:16 UTC
I had to take a break from LJ while I prepared for last weekend - a training course I did for Scouts (as a trainer, for other Scouters). Lots of work but lots of fun too.

I'll be writing about it when I get some free time at home ... as usual, I can't update from TF, just reply to comments via my email. =)

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galena417 June 12 2006, 01:38:32 UTC
Since I haven't seen you - I guess the search continues! I'm sure it will turn up... books don't just disappear into thin air!

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Re: Goethe zorander22 June 19 2006, 01:21:21 UTC
Thank you :)

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