Ginny, and a little thoughts on book 7

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So now Ginny= pretty much the pre-HBP Draco with female bits and without reasonable justifications for her biotchiness has become sort of a popular view. Well, I feel somewhat smug for having pointed that out in adela711's lj before I even finished the book ;-) Unlike the rest of the not!Ginny-fan!fandom though, I am not harboring a deep loathing for Ginny

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[black_dog]

See, I am convinced that with all these over-the-top remarks about Ginny, JKR is just desperately misdirecting us from the grand Harry/Draco passionfest that will be Book 7. I mean, never mind the interview, look at the text! Because as a confirmed H/D shipper I am not delusional at all, at all. :)

I do like the idea that Harry will have to rectify all these poisoned relationships (with Draco, Zach, Marietta) in order to get hold of all the Horcruxes. It seems a good way to tie in the issue of his character, of the lessons he's learned, to the actual battle against Voldemort.

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I must admit when Harry's compulsive stalking behavior was mentioned for the umpth time my head began to swoon with the now not unlikely prospect of H/D lovefest in book 7. Because wtf was Rowling trying to achieve by making Harry the obsessive expert of Draco's weight, complexion, hair and mood? The tone was just... inappropriate ;-)

Yeah Zach's having something to do with one of the horcrux is almost definite, otherwise I can't see the point of this character (so happy now that the theory he is the light!Draco who unlike Draco isn't evil is now dead) and especially the rather dull airtime he got in HBP reminding us of his existence. Marietta on the other hand, got too little mentioning in HBP for it to seem obvious she has a big role in book 7...

[go_back_chief]

Yeah Zach's having something to do with one of the horcrux is almost definite, otherwise I can't see the point of this character (so happy now that the theory he is the light!Draco who unlike Draco isn't evil is now dead) and especially the rather dull airtime he got in HBP reminding us of his existence. Marietta on the other hand, got too little mentioning in HBP for it to seem obvious she has a big role in book 7...

That's exactly what I'm thinking. I have a big hope that Zach's going to be involved, and Draco is almost a given, but Marietta's character just hasn't been mentioned enough. It's an interesting idea of Harry having to work on his most poisenous relationship, and she would fit there, but I don't think it will happen. I think Luna is more credible, Harry-fan as she is. She's planted for something.

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Yeah I agree. I am less sure of Marietta's playing a part in the horcrux arc because if I remember correctly, she got... one? mention in the whole sixth book? That's far too little for a person who might become important in the next book. But of course we could always refer to OOTP!Ginny when arguing for a case of suddenly!in-your-facely-important! character ;-P Luna... I thought perhaps her Quibbler connection would be utilized some more in the next book? Of course it's possible that she is the key to destroying the Ravenclaw horcrux too, wouldn't rule that out!

[ackonrad]

So now Ginny= pretty much the pre-HBP Draco with female bits and without reasonable justifications for her bitchiness has become sort of a popular view.

I'm still slightly puzzled at that comparison. I mean, Ginny can be compared to Harry and Hermione when it comes to bitchiness as well - I mean, both of them have done some pretty nasty things as well, just like Draco and Ginny. Or Ginny can be compared to the Weasley twins. The most interesting thing about it is my personal reaction - I love Draco, like Harry, don't mind Hermione (anymore) and loathe Ginny. I still think that it has more to do with the way JKR portrayed those four charcters, with her personal teatment of them, and with their character traits outside their nastiness, which makes me perceive them so differently.

The things JKR said about Ginny were ludicrous, I agree. :)

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I'm still slightly puzzled at that comparison. I mean, Ginny can be compared to Harry and Hermione when it comes to bitchiness as well

The thing is, we know for a fact both Harry and Hermione have a different (and better) side to them even though they are sometimes nasty and unpleasant. But with Ginny? Her nastiness to nearly everyone is almost all that we see of her, much like pre-HBP Draco. And her 'redeeming value' (if we are to see her the same way we saw pre-HBP Draco) lies in her loyalty to those she loves, what's more the having good hair/quidditch skill/hexing ability part? Draco Draco Draco. Oh and the twins at least made me laugh on a few occasions, while Ginny is perhaps the one character least deserving of the description 'Funny' in Potterverse ;-)

[malafede]

Her nastiness to nearly everyone is almost all that we see of her, much like pre-HBP Draco

That's not really true! Of Draco, we see his sense of humour, how his emotions play out, his dorky little plans, his love for art... ahaha, well, badges, songs and the like; and we see enough of his relationship to family, authority figures, and enemies to be able to draw a picture of the character. Though I agree that there are similarities, and maybe Harry could be attracted to those; it's just, Draco is nasty and Ginny is sassy. That's the reason why he is a real boy and she's... there.

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Hahaha! Of course Draco has more personal merits than Ginny, don't forget you're talking to one of Draco's biggest fan here ;-) But remember all of Draco's abilities (that aren't negative in themselves at all), his humor his creativity and his passion, all manifested through some sort of negative behavior meant to be detrimental to other people. The biggest difference between Draco and Ginny is, Draco *is* funny when he's supposed to be just mean, while Ginny is just mean when she is supposed to be funny- Scarhead, The Boy Who Scored VS... phlegm. I mean it can't be my huge bias that told me who the clear winner is ;-) Also, while Draco's passion and zest are shown effectively throughout the books through things he actually does, Ginny? She got a made-shift fanclub who told us unconvincingly how sassy she is.

JK can wax poetic for Ginny as much as she pleases, it wouldn't change my belief that she has put in much, much more effort in building Draco than she has Ginny :-D!

[malafede]

See, I was already laughing at Ginny while reading the book. She's the love robot, and JKR waxing poetic in her interview just set it. It's just not a character that I can take seriously, and while the bitchiness is somewhat Draco-like, it lacks the honesty of Draco as a character

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and while the bitchiness is somewhat Draco-like, it lacks the honesty of Draco as a character.

Ginny at her best is not even as good as Draco at his worst, that's all I'm saying *whistles*

Of course, Marietta is also more in the sphere of Hermione than Harry.

Yeah that's also why I think Marietta has a fairly good chance of getting involved in the next book, because we have yet to see the Hermione/Marietta conflict come to any resolution in HBP, and I just don't think JK meant for the 'sneak pimples' to be just what Marietta deserved. I have become more certain of Hermione having to own up her moral error in OOTP after what JK did with the vanishing cabinet incident. I am hoping to see a really mortified and sorry Hermione in the next book *rubs palms and cackles*

And hey I've forgotten about the other Weasleys' resentment toward Zacharias, thanks for reminding me, now Zach's future role has become even more definite :-)

The Good Slytherin would be a mind-boggling cop-out at this point, it doesn't bear to think about.There

[malafede]

They even cried, "What happened to Nott, the *obvious* good Slytherin!" Unbelievable! But also very entertaining X-DDD

ahahahaahahahahahah. where, where?

I agree about redemption, as you know. Isn't needed, the word is abused by fandom anyway. I was trying to put myself in the mindset of those who demand it.

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I believe it was HP-for-grown-up (snerk) and FAP, delightful folks really.

I was trying to put myself in the mindset of those who demand it.

Don't go to the dark side... Redemption in their eyes can very well be corruption in ours ;-P

[go_back_chief]

Because how can you take her seriously after reading JKR's over-the-top hilarious comments about this little girl? I was practically rolling on the floor howling with laughter when I got to the warm and compassionate part. Um, dearest Jo, talking about being delusional?

Hee hee hee! Yeah, as I mentioned in another journal, the fact that Ginny-fans don't have a similar reputation to Draco-fans becomes more mind-boggling to me every day... ;D

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Ginny fans have the author's full backing, at least full official backing ;-P But now no matter what Rowling says about Draco, we would always have HBP canon for support X-D!!!

[go_back_chief]

Well, we also have Canon-support that Ginny is one of the worst written characters in the history of literature. :P

[ishtar79]

Though I have to say Rowling's "you'll see more of that (Ginny's excellent hexing skills)" was somewhat unnerving.

The thought of more Ginny is always enerving.

Ýou´re on to something with the Ginny-preHBP Draco comparisons, BUT: the grand difference is how their actions are perceived by those around them, and Harry specifically. Lots of people said that Ginny had no flaws...I strongly disagree. She´s full of flaws (obnoxious, violent, a big show off), except that those flaws are perceived as virtues, by both the author and Harry. And therein lies the Sueism.

Loved your Book7 Horcrux/House Unity theory.

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Re: The grand difference between Draco and Ginny

I know! I know! (points to comments above)
Yes Harry was being a huge Schizophrenic when Draco & Ginny said or did essentially the same thing, he thought Draco was "OMG mean evol bully!!11!!!", while Ginny was "Awwwwwww my sassy, funny, entirely not!unpleasant girl~~~" Bless him, it has got to be one of the after effect of having your head split into half.