Lmao, perfect summary of my feelings as well--this was so WTF and bad I can't even (although at least unlike with the 50th, it didn't mess up overall canon too much so it's easier to ignore). I just...like I saw people on Twitter actually sad about that stupid head that appeared out of nowhere?! If it had been K-9 or something then fine, but this? So much cheap emotion
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LOL I just like -- it's a Cyberman head that never existed until this moment. It was Wilson the Volleyball except unlike Wilson we didn't even have the two hours of seeing it as the Doctor's only lifeline and sanity etc -- he was in a town full of people so it's not like he was alone lol who cares about the Cyberman head? WHY does he have a Cyberman head? Wtf?
LOL IA, like I could've maybe felt for Eleven and Clara but not with the way it was written, where she, like Amy, just pops into his life every few hundred years. SO MEANINGFUL WOW SO DEEP. Who cares. They did so poorly at ever convincing me that Eleven needs people around him that I have no reason to feel sad for him when he doesn't.
I mean, I think it was Pure 100% Moffat Concentrate, so I guess really it makes sense as an end to Eleven's era because it was characterized by all the things that characterized Eleven's era. It's just, uh, I hate almost all the things that characterized Eleven's era so seeing them all crammed into 50 minutes just reminded me how glad I am for it all to be over and how desperately I want Capaldi's run to be different even though in my heart of hearts I know it will be full of the same exact incompetence.
"like this must be how people who hated RTD and Ten felt when they watched End of Time"
XDXD I guess so XDXDXD
"any emotion i might’ve felt over eleven and clara was so thoroughly zapped out of this ep by him sending her away twice" Well, Nine & Ten did the same with Rose, so... Well, I guess we'll just have to add it to the very long list of Rose/Clara parallels that will never be explained...
There's a big difference though between what Nine and Ten did and what happened in this episode. When Nine and Ten did it, it was all about Rose fighting her way back and reclaiming her agency and how devastated she was to be sent away. When it happens to Clara, it's a plot device to allow for a timeskip more than anything, and Clara doesn't find her way back, it just happens/she gets picked up by Tasha not so she can be useful but so she can hold the Doctor's hand when he dies or whatever. She doesn't stay angry with Eleven, etc.
I think "parallels" is too strong a word for the similarities between Rose and Clara. Fandom was desperate to look for foreshadowing of Rose's return which ended up not even happening.
I know! And the worst in this, that's Moffat keeps on using old stuff looking like what happened to Rose (being left behind by the Doctor suring a war, not wanting the Doctor to change his face, the Powell estate as a home...) when Billie Piper and Jenna Coleman didn't even share a scene together. He just likes messing with our heads. And al this is a shame, becaus eJenna Comean is quite a brilliant actress: she deserves better than this (and so did Clara).
Yes, your thoughts are my thoughts. I spent 99% of this episode horrified by what was happening onscreen (but couldn't disconnect with it, unfortunately). Especially:
let’s continue with the heartfelt heartstring tugging when OH NO THE DOCTOR’S PET CYBERMAN HEAD HE HAD FOR ONE EPISODE DIED! the humanity
I felt like I was missing something here. The music told me this was supposed to be a devastatingly tragic moment... Uh...
eleven’s entire story is one big time loop WOWWOWOWOW WHO COULD EVER HAVE PREDICTED THIS WOW STEVEN MOFFAT TRULY AN INNOVATOR
Hahaha, ugh, yeah. This is actually the part that bothered me least, because hopefully it would wrap up everything about the Eleven era.
So sorry for Matt Smith that this was his send-off.
I'm not, currently, as angry as I was right after watching--some distance has helped me--but man this episode was such a mess.
lol I was so angry over the 50th because it ruined things I care about, but with this episode I have nothing in me to be angry about, since I stopped caring about Eleven and his godawfullly-written plot a long time ago. In a lot of ways I think this was a perfect summation of Eleven's era -- complete with gross inappropriate jokes, women allowed to do very little, everyone heralding how magnificent and wonderful the Doctor is, a convoluted plot that mostly happened off screen, the Doctor dying of old age because Steven Moffat physically cannot bring himself to kill any character any other way.
I'm sorry that Matt had to go out on this note because I think he as an actor deserved better. Whether or not I think Eleven as a character deserved better... I dunno.
I was so confused throughout the entire episode (surprising, I know, as Moffat's writing is usually so logical and easy to follow!).
My main thoughts were just ........Matt Smith, you should've been such a wonderful Doctor. Like, you have the capability to be fabulous. But you got saddled with the WORST writing ever. Absolutely terrible.
(Same with Jenna. Girl is capable of more than sass and tears.)
The only bright spot is that hopefully that time loop means that all of the Eleven-era bullshit is now squared away? And we can get ready for more Twelve bullshit, I suppose. Grumble grumble.
Yeah. Like, we're well past the point now where I have any emotion in me left to pity Eleven or what Eleven could've been or anything, but it is a shame that the character ended up being what it was when the casting choice was quite a good one. Please, god, let Peter Capaldi fare slightly better. (Really, plz god let Moffat step down after s8 and someone else handle Twelve for a while.)
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LOL IA, like I could've maybe felt for Eleven and Clara but not with the way it was written, where she, like Amy, just pops into his life every few hundred years. SO MEANINGFUL WOW SO DEEP. Who cares. They did so poorly at ever convincing me that Eleven needs people around him that I have no reason to feel sad for him when he doesn't.
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let’s continue with the heartfelt heartstring tugging when OH NO THE DOCTOR’S PET CYBERMAN HEAD HE HAD FOR ONE EPISODE DIED!
...And this made me sad!
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XDXD I guess so XDXDXD
"any emotion i might’ve felt over eleven and clara was so thoroughly zapped out of this ep by him sending her away twice"
Well, Nine & Ten did the same with Rose, so... Well, I guess we'll just have to add it to the very long list of Rose/Clara parallels that will never be explained...
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I think "parallels" is too strong a word for the similarities between Rose and Clara. Fandom was desperate to look for foreshadowing of Rose's return which ended up not even happening.
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He just likes messing with our heads.
And al this is a shame, becaus eJenna Comean is quite a brilliant actress: she deserves better than this (and so did Clara).
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let’s continue with the heartfelt heartstring tugging when OH NO THE DOCTOR’S PET CYBERMAN HEAD HE HAD FOR ONE EPISODE DIED! the humanity
I felt like I was missing something here. The music told me this was supposed to be a devastatingly tragic moment... Uh...
eleven’s entire story is one big time loop WOWWOWOWOW WHO COULD EVER HAVE PREDICTED THIS WOW STEVEN MOFFAT TRULY AN INNOVATOR
Hahaha, ugh, yeah. This is actually the part that bothered me least, because hopefully it would wrap up everything about the Eleven era.
So sorry for Matt Smith that this was his send-off.
I'm not, currently, as angry as I was right after watching--some distance has helped me--but man this episode was such a mess.
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I'm sorry that Matt had to go out on this note because I think he as an actor deserved better. Whether or not I think Eleven as a character deserved better... I dunno.
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My main thoughts were just ........Matt Smith, you should've been such a wonderful Doctor. Like, you have the capability to be fabulous. But you got saddled with the WORST writing ever. Absolutely terrible.
(Same with Jenna. Girl is capable of more than sass and tears.)
The only bright spot is that hopefully that time loop means that all of the Eleven-era bullshit is now squared away? And we can get ready for more Twelve bullshit, I suppose. Grumble grumble.
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