It sounds as if you might want to take a break from ffnet for a while (what fandom is this, by the way? Or more than one).
I think there should be more stories like the one you propose!
(I've wanted to write a story for ages that seems like it would be a dubcon PWP with a stronger guy overpowering a weaker who's attracted to him - but then it becomes drama instead as the weaker guy REALLY REALLY doesn't like it when the other one doesn't seem to take no for an answer at first. The problem wrt writing it is part plotting enough so the stronger guy doesn't look like a total asshole, part my incompetence at writing sexily. Also making a believable resolution.)
Taking a break from ff.net probably would be a good idea. My ability to deal with annoying tropes and cliches lessens with each encounter I have with one of these fics.
The getting the hell over a bad breakup fic? Yeah. I mean, it's not like I enjoy reading about my OTPs breaking up, but if they do--let's not make them miserable shells of their former selves.
I like your idea. The weaker guy damn well *should* be angry (or hurt, or betrayed), but everything normally ends up a-okay because hey, ~true love.~
Maybe the stronger guy thinks weaker guy is doing the usual yaoi thing, where "no" is really "I'm too shy to say yes"? Which still makes him an ass, though. Hmm.
The getting the hell over a bad breakup fic? Yeah. I mean, it's not like I enjoy reading about my OTPs breaking up, but if they do--let's not make them miserable shells of their former selves.
Exactly. And who knows? It could well turn out to be quite a good fic in its own right and not just because of the subverted clichés.
Maybe the stronger guy thinks weaker guy is doing the usual yaoi thing, where "no" is really "I'm too shy to say yes"?
Yeah, I was leaning towards that plus a lot of inexperience of actual RL sex for both of them, although I'd have to handwave in the assumptions since it's not set in a place where one would assume yaoi comics exist. (Cheap romance novels, possibly.)
But he would still be a bit of an ass, which might be okay if he's not irredeemable - unless it feels too OOC to begin with, that is.
Inexperience would work. I don't know what canon you're dealing with, but the culture's general assumptions about sex might be useful. Like, "men are ALWAYS up for sex" and "men can't get raped."
I don't mind characters being a bit of an ass, so long as the readers aren't expected to think that the asshole character is in the right. I really like stories where the asshole character has to acknowledge and make up for what he's done (and that doesn't happen often enough--it's usually "I love you!" "Yay! everything is forgiven!")
There are some excellent fics at ff.net. The trouble, of course, is digging through the dreck.
The accidental suicide: in one, Y cuts himself to ~feel.~ He accidentally goes overboard. In another, Y gets drunk while X if off fucking girls at a bar. He takes a few too many sleeping pills. It's not planned, but it's a very obvious end to the earlier dramatics.
I wouldn't even mind an IC suicide fic. Something that acknowledges that the cheating/breakup is the tipping point, and not the soul destroying event these fics depict. Long term depression is probably harder to convey than crying oneself to sleep/drinking/cutting, though.
I should get back to the genderswap dubcon. I made it through the sleazy wedding night, but then family drama distracted me. I'm going to fall out of my writing groove if I don't get back to that fic soon.
I know there's some good stuff there, and I'll read them when they're recced. But I just don't have the will to sort through the rest in search of the good ones.
I have a special place in my heart for fic that accurately portray long term depression. It is a very, very empty place. In fact, off the top of my head right now, it might actually be an empty place.
I know you've had more than enough on your plate recently, what with all that's been going on. :|
Dealing with ff.net depends on my mood. Nothing else is really holding my attention at the moment. Spending a few hours clicking on random links is a sometimes entertaining way to waste the time. The benefit to that is that I find fics that hit my kinks without being good enough to be recced regularly. I found this adorable, despite the lack of proper punctuation and the random spelling error.
I'd admire the author who could portray long term depression without falling back on theatrics. I don't know if I could read it.
Thankfully, the family drama is done with. My sister is recovering from an ulcer (her mystery condition solved!) and my dad is at home getting over his surgery.
I see this was posted at Dreamwidth but I'm commenting on LJ cuz I don't remember my dreamwidth login. I actually DID write a rape fic once where the characters don't fall in love... nobody even seems to enjoy it. In fact I think it came from a place of obsessive hatred. It was a really weird fic and went a really weird, awful direction. It wasn't meant to be a "fuck you, fandom," sort of thing for the sake of writing something different, the thing just wrote itself that way... it has no comments, but I don't regret writing it. anyhow, I think you SHOULD write a "fuck you, fandom" sort of fic, just for the variety.
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I think there should be more stories like the one you propose!
(I've wanted to write a story for ages that seems like it would be a dubcon PWP with a stronger guy overpowering a weaker who's attracted to him - but then it becomes drama instead as the weaker guy REALLY REALLY doesn't like it when the other one doesn't seem to take no for an answer at first. The problem wrt writing it is part plotting enough so the stronger guy doesn't look like a total asshole, part my incompetence at writing sexily. Also making a believable resolution.)
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Taking a break from ff.net probably would be a good idea. My ability to deal with annoying tropes and cliches lessens with each encounter I have with one of these fics.
The getting the hell over a bad breakup fic? Yeah. I mean, it's not like I enjoy reading about my OTPs breaking up, but if they do--let's not make them miserable shells of their former selves.
I like your idea. The weaker guy damn well *should* be angry (or hurt, or betrayed), but everything normally ends up a-okay because hey, ~true love.~
Maybe the stronger guy thinks weaker guy is doing the usual yaoi thing, where "no" is really "I'm too shy to say yes"? Which still makes him an ass, though. Hmm.
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Exactly. And who knows? It could well turn out to be quite a good fic in its own right and not just because of the subverted clichés.
Maybe the stronger guy thinks weaker guy is doing the usual yaoi thing, where "no" is really "I'm too shy to say yes"?
Yeah, I was leaning towards that plus a lot of inexperience of actual RL sex for both of them, although I'd have to handwave in the assumptions since it's not set in a place where one would assume yaoi comics exist. (Cheap romance novels, possibly.)
But he would still be a bit of an ass, which might be okay if he's not irredeemable - unless it feels too OOC to begin with, that is.
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I don't mind characters being a bit of an ass, so long as the readers aren't expected to think that the asshole character is in the right. I really like stories where the asshole character has to acknowledge and make up for what he's done (and that doesn't happen often enough--it's usually "I love you!" "Yay! everything is forgiven!")
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Though I have to ask ... how does one accidentally commit suicide? I would much rather read the fic where Y moves the fuck on.
I vote you keep working on genderswap dub!con, but I am predictable like that. ;)
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The accidental suicide: in one, Y cuts himself to ~feel.~ He accidentally goes overboard. In another, Y gets drunk while X if off fucking girls at a bar. He takes a few too many sleeping pills. It's not planned, but it's a very obvious end to the earlier dramatics.
I wouldn't even mind an IC suicide fic. Something that acknowledges that the cheating/breakup is the tipping point, and not the soul destroying event these fics depict. Long term depression is probably harder to convey than crying oneself to sleep/drinking/cutting, though.
I should get back to the genderswap dubcon. I made it through the sleazy wedding night, but then family drama distracted me. I'm going to fall out of my writing groove if I don't get back to that fic soon.
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I have a special place in my heart for fic that accurately portray long term depression. It is a very, very empty place. In fact, off the top of my head right now, it might actually be an empty place.
I know you've had more than enough on your plate recently, what with all that's been going on. :|
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I'd admire the author who could portray long term depression without falling back on theatrics. I don't know if I could read it.
Thankfully, the family drama is done with. My sister is recovering from an ulcer (her mystery condition solved!) and my dad is at home getting over his surgery.
I'm so up for sleazy porn. *g*
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I actually DID write a rape fic once where the characters don't fall in love... nobody even seems to enjoy it. In fact I think it came from a place of obsessive hatred. It was a really weird fic and went a really weird, awful direction. It wasn't meant to be a "fuck you, fandom," sort of thing for the sake of writing something different, the thing just wrote itself that way... it has no comments, but I don't regret writing it. anyhow, I think you SHOULD write a "fuck you, fandom" sort of fic, just for the variety.
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I've written "fuck you, fandom" stories before. I helps to have a plot to hang if off of, though.
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