"When you wake up, you'll have a mom and dad. And you won't even remember me."

[anna_sg1]

Went and changed the layout - anna_sg1. Twice in one year, very unlike me but the last one was just too bright ugh.

I've seen some comments on tumblr and I have questions for my Doctor Who loving (or just Doctor Who watching XD) friends - did the events in the whole of season 5 even happen after that Big Bang or whatever that was? I now that Amy, Rory,

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[maureen_cohen]

No one really knows...it's kinda weird. I think it's kinda like they remember two different lives, even if one happened in a 'parallel world'. Which is which...totally beyond me.

[anna_sg1]

Yeah, Amy says she remembers two lives, and I thought the one after the Big bang and repairing the Universe (or whatever it was that happened then) is the one team Tardis continued travelling in. I mean,they leave in the Tardis after their wedding reception where her parents are still dancing presumably. So little Amelia never had that experience with Eleven in the beggining of The Eleventh Hour, but Amy remembers it.

If that even makes sense. God, Moffat is ~good~ at uneccesary convoluted-ness.

[maureen_cohen]

Yeah. I kinda give up trying to figure out Moffat's logic.

[sherrilina]

. When Amy in TATM writes to Eleven to go tell little Amelia that's waiting for him all the adventures she'll have... there should be no little Amelia there.

Lol you are correct, you just unconcerned yet another plot hole in that epp. ;) Basically Moffat claims Amy had the benefit of growing up with parents now while also remembering her other timeline (like with Connor in s5 ATS, if you've seen that?)...but then aside from the wedding in the s5 finale we NEVER see or hear about Amy's parents again, and she hardly acts much differently....so he probably forgot about that, lol. He's always had trouble following through id

[anna_sg1]

LOLLL Moffat would forget this ~little snag~, wouldn't he.

I mean, it wouldn't even be a problem if the end of TATM didn't actually show us little Amelia waiting. Eleven could've just emo-ed how that never happened this time around so he can't grant her wish. But nope, they give us the Tardis sound and little Amelia looking up and smiling and it makes absolutely no sense.

[sherrilina]

Yeah it didn't make sense anyway though, because the whole point is that she waited and he never came back, so...?

[fogsblue]

I'm afraid you have to take into account one very important fact.

It's written by Moffat.

So while these questions are all relevant and importan, there's never going to be an actual answer that makes sense because the idea was from what I can remember/tel, Big Bang 2 rebooted the universe and Amy always had parents, but remembered both. So in theory little Amy should never have waited for the Doctor.

But since that would ruin Moffat's ~emotinal~ epsiode, it was all handwaved off. Like the Doctor never being able to see them again......

[anna_sg1]

LOL I keep forgeting that and tying to make sense of it all. XD My bad.

It would be even better if Amelia was in the kitchen with her parents or whatever and heard the Tardis noise and somehow knew it was for her and ran out into the garden smiling. Moff needs someone to pint these things out. Like a beta reader for fanfiction or something. XD

[fogsblue]

I've tried to make sense of it. But given up most times because somehow it never works.

And yes! See, something like that would be great because it would acknowledge even little Amelia had more memories than she should. But there's be next to no comment made about it.

Think Moffat would listen to a beta reader? Cause he doesn't strike me as the type to handle criticism

[a_blackpanther]

Well, it's the TARDIS going asplodey that causes the crack in the universe, right? And that happens in the 11th Hour, so the 11th is kind of the point where the timelines diverge or something? The 11th hour definitely happened in some form or other, otherwise Amy wouldn't remember the Doctor at her wedding, and so remember him into being again.

[anna_sg1]

Yeah but the whole point of s5 finale was to fix the cracks and everything so it never happens/happened (whatever tense you want). Now Amy grows up 'normal' (for lack of a better word), without the crack in her room or her parents dissapearing and without any influence from the Doctor - which is why she forgot about him (obviously not completely). River's diary at the reception triggers the memories coming back fully for her and Rory, but again the whole point is that THAT Amelia never waited for the Doctor even though Amy remembers that timeline as well.

As for why Amy remembers it at all, it sorta explained off handedly that because she grew up with the crack her brain is ~different or something like that. (at least thathow I understood it) So I sorta get that. What I don't get is why Rory or River remember anything but I guess that can also be hand waved with ~Tardis influence~ or W/E.

IDK, however I look at it, that last scene makes no sense to me. But W/E, I should be used to that by now. XD

[ugahill]

Yes, I figured that they remembered both (since Rory keeps bringing up how he waited for her 2000 years, which since that was prior to Big Bang it shouldn't have happened either, or he'd still be a doll.) :P

And yet there's all kinds of convolutedness, since River technically shouldn't have existed prior to Big Bang (since she came after when they got married and Rory had died prior) but she was in the timelines and was still around and remembering everything after BB happened. /weird

I guess since Amelia's 'waiting' was part of the cause of BB, if I wanted to try and explain it, I supposed I'd go back to how she's tied to the fissures that caused the cracks, so the history of waiting Amelia is etched somewhere in time, and the Doctor can go back to it? It's Moffat, and he just likes to tell stories and the whole time-travel-sensical thing is just a nitpicky part of it. :)

[anna_sg1]

Yeah, it's sucks they put Amy saying how it's sometimes confusing for her to have memories of two different lives in her head on a DVD extra. It's sorta important for her character but W/E. :/

I gave up on River's storyline a long time ago. Makes no sense or logic even in the context of Doctor Who and I don't mean that as a compliment to Moffat's writing.

It's Moffat, and he just likes to tell stories and the whole time-travel-sensical thing is just a nitpicky part of it. :)

Heh. I handwave a lot of stuff on Doctor Who. But nice story structure is something that's very much lacking a lot of the times these past few seasons, so it gets hard. XD Like, why did the Tardis even explode? This event was the basis of the larger story of season 5. We had those cracks zoomed in every episode and then we get no payoff for the ~mystery. The effects of the explosion are dealt with, but the cause is never mentioned. Or am I remembering it wrong?

He may like to tell stories and seems to especially love the unnecessarily convoluted twists, but