I love Firefly! I didn't watch it until long after it was on when I was very into Castle and looked up other things in which Nathan Filion had acted. ;)
Like you, I love Wash and Zoe.
I think a lot of the characterization questions would have been sorted out if there had been more than one season. Something that was left as a hint for how things work in season 1 may have been explained and made sense after an episode in season 2, but season 2 didn't happen . . .
I think a lot of the characterization questions would have been sorted out if there had been more than one season.
Yeah, and it's a shame that we never got that because, even with some possible future season plots that may or may not have happened, we truly can never know where the story was going to go with the characters and seeing them grow, and the individual arcs they would've gone to. We get glimpses of it in the show, so it leaves us wondering the "what ifs". And yeah, we got the movie, though we don't know whether the events in the movie would've been the same had the show gone on longer. And I haven't read the comics so idk how that counts as a possible canon continuation of the show or not.
The pilot episode is what got me into the show instantly, and I was so mad when I learned that FOX hated it and made Joss Whedon do a quick re-write for the introduction of the show with "The Train Job" (and then aired the pilot episode last which, wtf). The pilot episode sets everything up beautifully. I fell in love with practically all of the characters.
There's all of this usage of Asian culture, yet hardly anyone - IF anyone - of Asian descent has appeared. Or if they have, it seems to be in a more stereotypical light.
Yeah, that's a main annoyance I have with the show, even more now as the years have gone by that I realized just how problematic the show was with the lack of proper representation. If there were any Asian characters, they were in the background. And there were so many stereotypes. It's kind of awkward just how many offensive things there actually are. I mean, I love the show and all, but goddamn.
I'm also not sure how I feel about Inara's buildup as a character. I like HER, I'm just not sure where they were
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As for as the world-building of the different planets and whatnot, I can kind of understand what they were going for, but as you said, it wasn't at all explored enough in the show. Plus, the show itself had quite a small budget and I think they did try the best they could to get the message across that yes, these are different planets occupied by different groups of people; the inner planets are more rich and have more resources while the outerplanets are lawless and fend for themselves. That's easiest to understand. But it makes you wonder what we could have seen more of if they explored more of that.
For example, one of my favorite scifi shows right now is The Expanse, and it takes place in our near future when humanity has colonized the solar system and there are three different factions of humanity: Earth, Mars, and those living among the asteroid belt. They are very distinct and the way those societies and cultures work, and how it's all interwoven and interconnected in a way that's understandable and makes sense when you take
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en. I know that the idea was having your stereotypical redneck speaking Chinese words or phrases, which is interesting, but there needed to be more understanding of how this system works rather than the "hey, wouldn't this be cool". I mean, it is cool, but have it make sense with the world you're building. There are a lot of scifi shows since Firefly that have achieved that much better.
Yeah. Again, we may have seen more of that had the show continued, but there were definitely holes for what we got.
(It's probably why the movie Serenity kind of went in the opposite direction, sure it still was the same 'verse and everything but it had more of that scifi feel than the Western one that the show had.)
Hm, interesting. I haven't rewatched the movie for even longer than I've rewatched the show, but when I think about it you may be right. I believe there's not even that much crime the way the show has? There's some at the beginning with Fanty and Mingo, but I believe that's about it.
Hm, interesting. I haven't rewatched the movie for even longer than I've rewatched the show, but when I think about it you may be right. I believe there's not even that much crime the way the show has? There's some at the beginning with Fanty and Mingo, but I believe that's about it.
The movie was more or less following a particular singular plot, something to kind of tie up loose ends of one of the storylines of the show, so in a way we didn't need to see the crew doing that much crime aside from their initial heist at the beginning of the movie before shit started going sideways. Which makes sense, if you're going for a movie structure and focusing on something grander.
Plus the biggest indicator for me, on a visual level, was the color palettes. The show has more warm tones, something that is more associated with Westerns, whereas the movie had cooler colors such as blue, which is often associated with scifi.
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Like you, I love Wash and Zoe.
I think a lot of the characterization questions would have been sorted out if there had been more than one season. Something that was left as a hint for how things work in season 1 may have been explained and made sense after an episode in season 2, but season 2 didn't happen . . .
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Yeah, and it's a shame that we never got that because, even with some possible future season plots that may or may not have happened, we truly can never know where the story was going to go with the characters and seeing them grow, and the individual arcs they would've gone to. We get glimpses of it in the show, so it leaves us wondering the "what ifs". And yeah, we got the movie, though we don't know whether the events in the movie would've been the same had the show gone on longer. And I haven't read the comics so idk how that counts as a possible canon continuation of the show or not.
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Exactly. It's so hard to know if Miranda was even what Joss had in mind for Reavers, originally, for example.
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I love Zoe and made sure to get her Pop when I found it!
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Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
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There's all of this usage of Asian culture, yet hardly anyone - IF anyone - of Asian descent has appeared. Or if they have, it seems to be in a more stereotypical light.
Yeah, that's a main annoyance I have with the show, even more now as the years have gone by that I realized just how problematic the show was with the lack of proper representation. If there were any Asian characters, they were in the background. And there were so many stereotypes. It's kind of awkward just how many offensive things there actually are. I mean, I love the show and all, but goddamn.
I'm also not sure how I feel about Inara's buildup as a character. I like HER, I'm just not sure where they were ( ... )
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For example, one of my favorite scifi shows right now is The Expanse, and it takes place in our near future when humanity has colonized the solar system and there are three different factions of humanity: Earth, Mars, and those living among the asteroid belt. They are very distinct and the way those societies and cultures work, and how it's all interwoven and interconnected in a way that's understandable and makes sense when you take ( ... )
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Yeah. Again, we may have seen more of that had the show continued, but there were definitely holes for what we got.
(It's probably why the movie Serenity kind of went in the opposite direction, sure it still was the same 'verse and everything but it had more of that scifi feel than the Western one that the show had.)
Hm, interesting. I haven't rewatched the movie for even longer than I've rewatched the show, but when I think about it you may be right. I believe there's not even that much crime the way the show has? There's some at the beginning with Fanty and Mingo, but I believe that's about it.
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The movie was more or less following a particular singular plot, something to kind of tie up loose ends of one of the storylines of the show, so in a way we didn't need to see the crew doing that much crime aside from their initial heist at the beginning of the movie before shit started going sideways. Which makes sense, if you're going for a movie structure and focusing on something grander.
Plus the biggest indicator for me, on a visual level, was the color palettes. The show has more warm tones, something that is more associated with Westerns, whereas the movie had cooler colors such as blue, which is often associated with scifi.
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