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Idiotic Christian Beliefs: God Is Pro-Life Edition

Jun 20, 2020 23:12

One of the more asinine things that christian "pro-lifers" claim is that their deity is pro-life and, as such, holds human life as eminently sacred, especially unborn human life. As a former christian who, unlike the vast majority of self-identified christians, has actually read the bible in its entirety (an enlightening, as well as vomit-inducing ( Read more... )

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God is anti-abortion. anonymous June 21 2006, 21:20:14 UTC

Antiabortion and prolife are synonymous. Prove that God supports abortion, and then you can refute the He is prolife.

Good luck finding scriptures that state, "Beloved Brethren, go, fornicate, be fruitful and multiply, and then behold have thee child dismembered in thine womb."

Re: God is anti-abortion. bjsurvivor June 22 2006, 06:28:47 UTC

And good luck to you proving that god is anti-abortion.

Goodbye, troll!

Re: God is anti-abortion. dementedchicken June 26 2006, 23:09:44 UTC

In Exodus 21:22-25, it explicitly states that if a man accidentally kills a pregnant woman, he is to be condemned for murder, but if he only kills the fetus, then he is not. That is the very definition of exoneration for those who perform abortions, no? Looks like your loving god does not consider fetuses to be worthy of a trial.

God IS most certainly Pro-LIFE anonymous June 22 2006, 06:52:58 UTC

Ruth, How sad that you describe our loving God as a "sadistic, misogynist, irrational psychopath" and yourself a "former" Christian. I do not pretend to be a Bible expert or theologian, but I'll do the best I can to address your woefully erroneous Scripture misinterpretations, one by one, proving that God loves you and He is most certainly pro-life. I'm slow at this and want to do the best I can, so it may take several entries over time, but let's give it a go. My message will also be one I think you will like- God is ultimately also pro-"choice", in that He gives each one of us a very clear "choice" to make over and over each day; we can CHOOSE to do good or CHOOSE to do evil, but be ready to enjoy or suffer either the rewards or consequences ( ... )

Re: God IS most certainly Pro-LIFE anonymous June 22 2006, 07:00:28 UTC

Comment from "Abortion Hurts for a Lifetime" continued ( ... )

Re: God IS most certainly Pro-LIFE gentlemaitresse June 27 2006, 12:38:17 UTC

We see Abraham plead with God for the righteous lives who resided in Sodom and Gomorrah

So here we see a man bargaining with a god, asking him to do the right thing. What does that tell you??

Re: God IS most certainly Pro-LIFE bjsurvivor June 23 2006, 07:50:59 UTC

God entraps humans by placing the tree of knowledge in the garden and telling Adam and Eve not to eat of it. This is rather similar to placing a toy in front of a child and telling them they are not allowed to play with it. God created us with instinct, rebellion, and curiosity. Soon he punishes us for only doing what is part of our nature. Genesis 2:16.47

Genesis 2 This is clearly entrapment. Presumably, the supposedly perfect god created us with curiosity, instinct, and rebellion. He then places the Tree of Knowledge in the garden and tells Adam and Eve not to eat from it. This is like placing a toy in front of a child while admonishing him to not play with it or else suffer dire consequences...Would you, as a loving parent, do that to your child? If you can honestly answer "yes" to this, then you are as sadistic and morally bankrupt as the god you worship ( ... )

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God IS most certainly Pro-life: Part 3 anonymous June 23 2006, 06:00:48 UTC

Ruth, While we are in the Old Testament, how about inviting your pro-abortion Jewish friend to join us for an interesting exchange, particularly as we explore Exodus, in which God orchestrates the greatest rescue effort in history, saving the Israelites from 400 years of enslavement, instituting the Passover, and bringing them into the Promised Land. You are correct, Exodus 4:21 reads, "I will harden Pharaoh's heart", but you erroneously imply that Egypt's leader was a good ol' guy whose sweet disposition was abruptly changed for the worse by God. Let's look at Egypt's kings during that time and see how they consistently mis-treated the Israelites, God's chosen people, to determine if this is true ( ... )

Re: God IS most certainly Pro-life: Part 3 anonymous June 23 2006, 06:06:21 UTC

Ruth, are you or any one else reading these comments? Is anyone going to agree or disagree in response? I'm losing motivation just writing to myself. I think I'll take a break until there is some indication this effort is worth continuing. At a pace of one a night, this could be a project for the whole summer, which is fine, if anyone was interested, but if not, I've got lots of other things that I really should be doing tonight...

Re: God IS most certainly Pro-life: Part 3 bjsurvivor June 23 2006, 23:58:02 UTC

First, it is you, as a self-proclaimed pro-lifer, who claims that god is pro-life, meaning that he holds human life, especially fetal life, in utmost sanctity. Yet he commits, orders, and condones mass and singular murders (as well as other atrocities which I will delve into in my essay on the christian god's treatment of women), including the "ripping open" of pregnant women, which, in case you need it pointed out to you, kills the fetuses which you claim are so sacred to him. Of what could the fetuses possibly be guilty? You have consistently FAILED to provide evidence that the christian god is pro-life. You have merely repeated, again and again, that god is pro-life because you believe he is pro-life, while trying to feebly defend the mass slaughters he commits, condones, and orders. It's as if you believe that if you state it often enough and loudly enough that you will drive rational thought from my mind. Sorry, no go ( ... )

Please answer the fundamental question first, Ruth anonymous June 24 2006, 00:39:06 UTC

You're not following the basic "rules of debate etiquette" that you established for your forum, Ruth. I'm eager to discuss this, but we have to determine your answer to this first:

There is a fundamental flaw in your basic approach. You are arguing two conflicting premises, that cannot co-exist:

1) You first argue that the Bible is just a "fairy-tale" and God doesn't exist. If that is the case, why waste your time worrying about any of this? Go about your "happy" life and leave us crazy Christians in peace.

2) But then, you call this "fairy-tale" God a misogynist, sadistic, psychopath who has cruelly mistreated people throughout history, even blaming Him for everything wrong in the world, including "entrapping" you to sin.

Which is it Ruth, does God exist or not? You can't argue both ways, your two assertions cannot both be true. Choose one and then we can continue.

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God is Love anonymous June 24 2006, 05:41:24 UTC

Dear Ruth ( ... )

Re: God is Love j_brisby June 27 2006, 10:40:51 UTC

So Christians who accept God never hurt? Well, then sign me up!

Re: God is Love katura June 27 2006, 11:18:59 UTC

You point out all the beauty in the world and cite it as God's creation while conveniently leaving out all the ugly parts of the world. David Attenborough once addressed this issue in an interview I saw with him, where he stated that if you're going to point out the beauty in the world - the butterflies, the rainforests, the sun dancing, etc, and credit it to God, you also have to remember that there is a lot of darkness and a lot of natural disaster. He uses a worm as an example - a specific worm in Africa that can only survive by burrowing into people's eyes, and the children of Africa are going blind because of this worm. How can you possibly reconcile the existence of such things - and the creation of them by your God - with the notion that your God is loving and benevolent toward "his children ( ... )

Re: God is Love pali June 28 2006, 00:52:18 UTC

All I gotta say, is that worm example is great. ^_^

foxfire June 26 2006, 22:07:09 UTC

It’s truly refreshing to find another former-Christian-turned-atheist (Southern Baptist in my case) in this Christ-haunted culture of ours, especially one as grounded in the knowledge of so-called scripture as yourself. Pending your permission-hopefully forthcoming-I’ve taken the liberty of adding to my flist. I will, of course, honor your wishes should you ask me to remove you, but hope you can find it in your interests to add me as well.

Keep on fighting the good fight!

bjsurvivor June 27 2006, 00:18:01 UTC

Thank you. And I've friend you in return. :)

bjsurvivor June 27 2006, 00:18:45 UTC

That should read "friended" not "friend." Mea culpa!

ebbthemighty June 27 2006, 03:12:18 UTC

I agree with foxfire.

I friended you.

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