Comments | blackflame2180: Arizona Governor: Driver's Liscence isn't sufficient proof of citizenship

blackflame2180

Arizona Governor: Driver's Liscence isn't sufficient proof of citizenship

Jun 03, 2010 16:58

According to Arizona's governor, in Arizona, once this bill goes into effect, local law enforcement has a right to detain you on suspicion of being an illegal alien until specific Federal Agencies intervene: Even if you're carrying your ID with you.

So yeah, apparently under the new Arizona law, your Driver's license (you know, the primary form of ( Read more... )

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weasel2000 June 3 2010, 21:55:43 UTC

What part of Illegal are you not understanding? Illegal aliens are breaking the law...There should be a law to deal with it...this is it.

blackflame2180 June 3 2010, 22:13:41 UTC

The goal of the bill is admirable, but it's implementation is seriously lacking ( ... )

weasel2000 June 4 2010, 00:11:21 UTC

Mainly baiting you here :-) It's not a great law and yes, i'm sure there will be civil liberty violations. I am fairly certain it won't be used as brutally or evilly as you suggest might...It will probably be enacted, get some highlight the first time it's used and then it will be challenged in court...(if not sooner). But int he end, the illegal immigration issue will still not be solved.

greymaiden June 4 2010, 02:28:47 UTC

Dude, rarely am I on the same side as Jason, but if you think this is not going to be used as an excuse for civil liberties violations, you clearly aren't paying attention to the insane shit that already passes for law enforcement in the state of Arizona and other places in the southwest. The violations already happen, this is just a new way to excuse it.

I'm an old school constitutionalist, so if Arizona wants to turn itself into a police state I think it should. . .and sane people who value their constitutional liberties should get the fuck out of there.

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mediaprophet June 4 2010, 14:03:52 UTC

Reasonable suspicion is a legal term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion

blackflame2180 June 4 2010, 17:05:40 UTC

Yes it is, but it's an incredibly low standard ( ... )

mediaprophet June 4 2010, 17:27:35 UTC

The reasonable person standard would be violated by racial profiling. There is not a substantial and reasonable chance that anyone in AZ who speaks Spanish and has brown skin is an illegal alien.

Police anywhere and always only need probable cause to arrest you -- for anything. Suspicion that you own a fake ID in any state is grounds for confiscation and arrest.

blackflame2180 June 4 2010, 18:57:37 UTC

Actually, many of the Arizona legislature have argued that racial profiling is fair game under the law they authored. More, racial profiling continues to occur despite it's exclusion from the reasonable suspicion standard. Proving that racial profiling occurred is a bar that continues to be raised through the case law ( ... )

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