angered european hannoverian and holsteiner owner here.
most the horses that the AWS approves are just jokes to the name "warmblood". call it something else, but the grade horses i've seen are not, nor will never be warmbloods. say it together now, "grades". if you combine an arab with an european warmblood, you have an arab and an european warmblood cross. A + B does not make A or B, it makes C. A+A=A, B+B=B, anything else, is a grade, a mutt, a mix, a cross. the AWS is trying to do the whole "grrreat melting pot" of america thing to the warmblood name. it just never will be a warmblood in the sense that the name means.
maybe i'm just a backwards old purist, but i believe this isn't a step forward.
He doesn't have the big boxy ugly warmblood head and he is honestly going to be a very nice sporthorse because, his mom was a sporty lanky appendix, not a fat ass grade one. I think it's hard to not focus on RIGHT NOW and think of the grand scheme of AWS. AWS is probably going to churn out some piss poor horses in the next few years. But I think eventually they will have some nice bloodlines to work with [probably at least 10 generations after they close the stud/brood books]. But it's hard to say if they ever WiLL close them. If Legion VF was your sporthorse greatgreatgreat grandsire, you might have a very nice sporthorse with just a HiNT on the elegance from Legion, because, no denying, he is very elegant looking. But most of the horses inbetween Legion and his greatgreatgreatgreatgrandkids isn't going to be up to par in my books.
theres no denying that he has elegance. in that very araby flowy oohs-and-ahhs fairytale horse sort of way haha. thats just not something i feel the warmblood sector needs. what i was mostly refering is the use of the word warmblood. a warmblood is a breed of horse in itself refined over the years in (the leaders) germany, denmark, holland, sweden, and russia
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Arabians + Warmbloods = Bad idea, IMO. If you start breeding to Arabians, then you start adopting their lame-ness problems, along with their temperments. Sporthorse's temperments are very willing to please, and very non-aggressive for the most part (from what i've seen + heard) but Arabians would kick you to death if that's what it took for them to get out of work. As wonderful as refining the look of the WB goes, i really don't think the AWB needs refining, they just should stop accepting any horse that has an ounce of imported warmblood in them into the registries .. to me, a QH / TB / imported warmblood is NOT in fact a warmblood, but rather a Cross breed
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I don't think that Arabians should be crossed with them either. Arabians should be pure, IMO. As for Arabians kicking you to death to get out of work? Are you serious? Have you ever even ridden an Arabian, let alone handled one? I don't think so. Arabians are very powerful horses, they choose who they work for. And I like that about them. It's better than some push button that will do whatever you want. I like a little challenge, but once you overcome it, there's nothing that can stop you. Their lameness is only because people have bred the true Arabian right out of them. They're known for never being lame, but they don't have the natural blood anymore. However, they aren't just nice to look at. I own and handle many, and sorry if I kinda went off on that but it just pisses me off when people assume things about them being "hot headed" or whatever you may think. Especially thinking they'll hurt someone to get out of work. That's just, I don't know
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I actually have been around arabians a lot. I ride American Saddlebreds, but my boyfriend's parents own a big Arabian breeding facility where they own several retired studs, along with one straight egyptian one that is on private stud. I've mainly been around colts of theirs, and they would all love to intimidate people just because that's the way that they were raised (ie these people shouldn't allow their kids around the weanlings and yearlings, because they're so easily intimdated) - they're all purebred arabians. Most of them are mean, and are very hot-headed. To me, they're the most beautiful creatures on the earth. Their temperments really are no different than my ASB showhorses. Well, except for Wally (the stud) but that's definitely understandable
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I think it'll be nice to add a refined head to warmbloods. They're gorgeous already, but this will be nice. Yet I wouldn't buy a straight arab x warmblood cross, it'd have to be a grandchild of the arab or something, because you're right -- the arabs don't have the power of a sporthorse.
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most the horses that the AWS approves are just jokes to the name "warmblood". call it something else, but the grade horses i've seen are not, nor will never be warmbloods. say it together now, "grades". if you combine an arab with an european warmblood, you have an arab and an european warmblood cross. A + B does not make A or B, it makes C.
A+A=A, B+B=B, anything else, is a grade, a mutt, a mix, a cross. the AWS is trying to do the whole "grrreat melting pot" of america thing to the warmblood name. it just never will be a warmblood in the sense that the name means.
maybe i'm just a backwards old purist, but i believe this isn't a step forward.
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1/4 DWB, 2/4 TB, 1/4 AQHA.
He doesn't have the big boxy ugly warmblood head and he is honestly going to be a very nice sporthorse because, his mom was a sporty lanky appendix, not a fat ass grade one. I think it's hard to not focus on RIGHT NOW and think of the grand scheme of AWS. AWS is probably going to churn out some piss poor horses in the next few years. But I think eventually they will have some nice bloodlines to work with [probably at least 10 generations after they close the stud/brood books]. But it's hard to say if they ever WiLL close them. If Legion VF was your sporthorse greatgreatgreat grandsire, you might have a very nice sporthorse with just a HiNT on the elegance from Legion, because, no denying, he is very elegant looking. But most of the horses inbetween Legion and his greatgreatgreatgreatgrandkids isn't going to be up to par in my books.
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