Sophie, you'll love this...

[centeruniverse]

I'm taking a class on critical analysis of drama this quarter, and I put myself in the Gay/Lesbian critique group. For my part of my presentation, I'm planning on showing how Frodo and Sam actually do have more than friendship feelings for each other. Anyone have any suggestions for scenes I should show? I only have access to the ROTK DVD, so

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[centeruniverse]

Thanks...and I'll be posting details someday...maybe today, if you're lucky...

[dabman]

awww, ain't someone lucky:)

[centeruniverse]

Well...I hope so...

[misery_chick]

I'm not too certain if there is more than a deep friendship between Frodo and Sam, but I've never seen the movies - they were too long- winded, if you ask me. But I read the books and I'm sure your presentation will be great.

So? Someone within touching distance that you just met? Sounds great. I'm happy for you, and as always I'm wishing you the best ♥

[centeruniverse]

Well, I watched all the movies, and I went into the final one thinking, "Okay, I know Sophie is all about the relationship between Sam and Frodo, but I bet it's all in her head." And then I watched it, and I kept thinking, "Why aren't they kissing again?" I was really suprised at the end when Sam ends up marrying a girl...I actually kind of felt like it was thrown in there to negate all the homoerotic scenes they'd shown previously.

[misery_chick]

But it was in the books as well. There they already met earlier, and when they met again - well, they got married.

[centeruniverse]

I know it was in the books, but I think the way they interpreted it in the movies emphasised the relationship between Frodo and Sam more than that between Sam and his wife. It's been so long since I read the books, I can't really comment on how it was treated there.

[ilmani]

I have the other two if you need them.

[centeruniverse]

Thanks, but it's supposed to be a short presentation and I wanted to focus on just the last one...

...but I'm going to call you today anyway, because I'd like to come over this weekend and hang out with you.

[ladydewinter]

Whee Sam and Frodo! And of course I have suggestions. These are the ones I immediately thought of, I have more if you need them.

The one where Sam thinks that Frodo is dead. "Don't go where I can't follow". That's a classic *directly* from the book. Maybe the "I can't carry it for you but I can carry you" bit, because they look at each other like they'd kiss, and the one after the ring is destroyed and they are at the end of all times. But Sam does mention Rosie there.

And: definitely the scene in Minas Tirith where Frodo's in bed and everybody comes in and is happy and then Sam enters. That look - that look transcends everything. Love, friendship, romance - it's amazing. And yes, the scene where they say goodbye. I'd say RotK is the gayest moive of them all. If you get hold of FotR, though, there is a scene in Rivendell where Sam takes Frodo's hand. In the commentaries, Sir Ian talks about that moment and how it was very important for him because it was in the book too and well. I ♥ Sir Ian. And Sean Astin actually talks about

[ladydewinter]

Most of the time, while acting, the issue didn't cross my mind. The scene on Mount Doom, for example, was uncoloured by sexuality. Sam is cradling Frodo in his arms, crying over the possible loss of his friend. They are fellow travellers, warriors, brothers. To me, that plays less like a love scene than a battlefield death scene. But there were other times - in scenes when the envelope was pushed in a way that invited not just speculation, but an arched eyebrow, as well - when, as a male actor, working with another male, you couldn't help but think, Oh, God, that is so gay

[centeruniverse]

Wow...thank you! I knew I could count on you for this, and you've really made the whole project so much easier!

[ladydewinter]

You're welcome :) I'm always glad if I can help. If you have any other questions, just let me know.