Literary Lads That We Love: Haymitch Abernathy

Oct 20, 2013 13:54

Because sorry, you know every time I see the young'uns of Peeta, Finnick, and Gale being featured and Haymitch being left on the sidelines ignored, I feel compelled to step in and defend just how amazing he is. ;) For lisal825's Literary Lads That We Love meme

Spoilers for the entire THG trilogy )

memememe, char: haymitch abernathy

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nrgburst October 21 2013, 00:16:31 UTC
Wonderful meta- thank you so much for posting!

Too many people dismiss him as just a hopeless middle-aged drunk who only deserves to expect to drink himself to death in peace, probably because he's not a conventionally earnest, young, attractive figure, or else his damage isn't of the sexy, angsty-brooding variety.

I think physical attractiveness is usually what makes people gravitate to/sympathize with characters- you're so right.

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deathmallow October 21 2013, 00:28:39 UTC
Thank you so much for coming here and commenting!

I think physical attractiveness is usually what makes people gravitate to/sympathize with characters- you're so right.I think unfortunately you're right. I've remarked elsewhere that clearly it's not just having issues--other clearly damaged people like Katniss, Peeta, Finnick, and Annie, are permitted to be romantic figures, because frankly, they're conventionally attractive and they're under 25, so their damage is almost "romantic" in that it's readily depicted as being something that can be addressed and somewhat healed by trust and love ( ... )

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nrgburst October 21 2013, 00:47:54 UTC
To be fair- I think our media has a lot to do with that perception: quick- name an older, unattractive actor you stan for! Also, THG is targeted at the YA market- makes sense that the main protagonists fall into that age range.
But it might be the way we are psychologically hardwired? Ask a three year old why they chose a kid to play with and they will probably respond "because i like the way he/she looks". We may socialize our little sociopaths into people, but I think maybe we are really that shallow deep down. :/

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deathmallow October 21 2013, 00:54:29 UTC
Oh, it's certainly our appearance-obsessed culture, which just makes THG and its criticism of that mentality all the more ironic. After all, age and wisdom rather than youthfulness used to be prized and considered attractive (hello, powdered wigs to look older...) so it's all a reflection of the cultural mentality you're in.

I'm admittedly odd in that I've always been interested in adult stories rather than teenagers, even when I was a teenager. ;)

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century_fox October 21 2013, 01:03:24 UTC
I love this post SO much. Thank you for writing it!!!! You summed up so many of my feelings about Haymitch and why I love him in such an articulate way. It bums me out when people dismiss him- I mean, obviously he's not going to be everyone's favorite, but like you said, I feel like a lot of times people just see him as "the depressed drunk guy" and don't see/appreciate what a complex, interesting, and amazing character he is.

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deathmallow October 21 2013, 01:06:49 UTC
(high fives you) Haymitch Appreciation FTW! And yeah, I get really bummed when people write him as the comic buffoon, talk about how gross or mean he is, think he should just be happy being Everlark's "pet", or just insist, "I can't see him with anybody."

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retrostarfish October 21 2013, 02:12:07 UTC
Dear God, YES. And I was so glad to see this after I finished my Haymitch fic, because this is the take on him I was working from. Hopefully I captured that?

I think a lot of people need to realize what a blessing his age really is. Could he have pulled off the things he did in the books, if he was 16/17, like Katniss and Peeta, or even in his mid-twenties like Finnick? Likely not. It took years of experience to get there. Peeta didn't even develop the "star-crossed lovers" act without Haymitch's guidance.

You know, when I first read book 1, there were only two places in it that actually made me cry. The first was Rue's death. The second? When Katniss flings herself into Haymitch's arms after she wins the Games. If Haymitch were truly a useless old drunk only around for comic relief, would she have done that? No. She did it because, despite all the flack she's given him, she knows he got them out of that arena, and because he cared about them.

And as for thinking he's incapable of developing a love life and any sort of healing after ( ... )

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deathmallow October 21 2013, 02:32:30 UTC
I think a lot of people need to realize what a blessing his age really is. Could he have pulled off the things he did in the books, if he was 16/17, like Katniss and Peeta, or even in his mid-twenties like Finnick? Likely not. It took years of experience to get there. Peeta didn't even develop the "star-crossed lovers" act without Haymitch's guidance.

Exactly. We see that a 16-y-o Haymitch was brilliant, but also brash. He clearly wasn't wise enough yet to understand that to openly tweak the Capitol was to invite disaster. 40-y-o Haymitch understands that intimately.

And as for thinking he's incapable of developing a love life and any sort of healing after Mockingjay... Do people understand what they're implying when they say that? Life doesn't end when your twenties are over. The books end on the note that life can be good again no matter what, and Haymitch finding that out is every bit as hopeful, if not MORE so, as it is with Katniss and Peeta.

YES THIS x 1000000000000000.

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rosaxx50 October 21 2013, 02:30:43 UTC
Wow I want to comment properly but all I can say is

1) as;lkjfdsa H A Y M I T C H

2) your reasons especially his bravery

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deathmallow October 21 2013, 02:34:20 UTC
HAYMITCH! :D

Thank you! I think a lot of people think of him as just being weak and pathetic because of his drinking. But when you think about it, for him to try to defy the Capitol again, for people that aren't even as close to him as family (at that point) or a lover, and given how much he's suffered for it before? He's pretty much one of the bravest chars in the books.

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lorata October 21 2013, 02:54:45 UTC
the worst part about this all is that it seems like ... well, like extremely common sense to me? like, do people not read?! like, at least "hey the Careers might not be evil" is something that I can see people arguing with or not coming to on their own, but everything you write just makes sense. makes me wonder whether other people are reading the same book we're reading ...

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deathmallow October 21 2013, 03:24:27 UTC
It's kind of the difference between just reading and actually thinking about what you're reading.

But yeah, I've seen plenty of "Haymitch is mean/weak/disgusting/a jerk/useless/not shippable with anyone/pointless/such a gross slob/hopeless" etc.

Urge to kill...rising. ;)

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lorata October 21 2013, 03:26:10 UTC
gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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deathmallow October 21 2013, 03:27:53 UTC
RAGE.

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