Wish I had Socialism vs. Capitalism!goatunitMarch 14 2005, 18:49:47 UTC
While I am somewhat conflicted on this issue, I have resolved to argue in support of the MLB Steroid Hearings.
I am of the opinion that any business, including the management of a sports team, in which large sums of money are trading hands, should be strictly regulated and carefully policed. I will argue that steroid usage comes from two distinctly vile causes: the exploitation of players by their owners, and the selfishness of individual players who would not otherwise qualify for their enormous paychecks and other rewards.
Professional sports have arisen, in part, to allow the average citizen to witness great feats of human accomplishement - of otherworldly physical prowess and ability. Those buying the tickets, supporting the industry and its participants, are paying for a product that I feel the use of steroids prevents them from receiving. Such large-scale, large-profit consumer fraud should be thoroughly investigated and punished.
Re: Wish I had Socialism vs. Capitalism!ex_fireuzerMarch 15 2005, 17:26:20 UTC
Due to a poor framing, I don't understand the issue, nor do I fully understand my opponent's position. However, I would like to point out a few holes in what my opponent did offer.
any business, including the management of a sports team, in which large sums of money are trading hands, should be strictly regulated and carefully policed.
If large sums of money being traded is the requisite for being policed, then the large sums of money being traded should be the thing that get policed, not internal rules concerning personal habits.
Professional sports have arisen, in part, to allow the average citizen to witness great feats of human [accomplishement]
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a product that I feel the use of steroids prevents them from receiving.
These two statements are contradictory. People on drugs are still people, and therefore the great feats are still 'human' accomplishments, regardless of whether or not the accomplish-ers are on drugs.
Such large-scale, large-profit consumer fraud should be thoroughly investigated and punished.Even if
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If large sums of money being traded is the requisite for being policed, then the large sums of money being traded should be the thing that get policed, not internal rules concerning personal habits.
I am not convinced that this is an issue of personal habits. In fact, I am strongly in favor of legalizing most drugs. The fact is that the owners of the MLB teams stand to make a lot of money by improving the performance of their players - there is a clear, financial incentive for these individuals to convince and enable their players to risk illness and even death.
Jose Canseco's book, which is at the heart of this issue, indicts then-owner of the Texas Rangers, President George Bush, as having been aware of the steroid usage between Canseco, McGwire, Giambi and other members of the team. I think such a clear violation of ethics is worth an investigation and hearing.
People on drugs are still people, and therefore the great feats are still 'human' accomplishments, regardless of whether or not the accomplish-ers are on drugs.I
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I am not convinced that this is an issue of personal habits. In fact, I am strongly in favor of legalizing most drugs. The fact is that the owners of the MLB teams stand to make a lot of money by improving the performance of their players - there is a clear, financial incentive for these individuals to convince and enable their players to risk illness and even death.
There are also financial incentives in the armed forces to risk illness and death, I don't see how this is relevant to what you are discussing. Obvioulsly if there was no incentive to do somehting, then no one would do it.
Jose Canseco's book, which is at the heart of this issue, indicts then-owner of the Texas Rangers, President George Bush, as having been aware of the steroid usage between Canseco, McGwire, Giambi and other members of the team. I think such a clear violation of ethics is worth an investigation and hearing.
Even if there was such a thing as ethics, there would be no way to prove those actions are 'unethical'.
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I am of the opinion that any business, including the management of a sports team, in which large sums of money are trading hands, should be strictly regulated and carefully policed. I will argue that steroid usage comes from two distinctly vile causes: the exploitation of players by their owners, and the selfishness of individual players who would not otherwise qualify for their enormous paychecks and other rewards.
Professional sports have arisen, in part, to allow the average citizen to witness great feats of human accomplishement - of otherworldly physical prowess and ability. Those buying the tickets, supporting the industry and its participants, are paying for a product that I feel the use of steroids prevents them from receiving. Such large-scale, large-profit consumer fraud should be thoroughly investigated and punished.
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any business, including the management of a sports team, in which large sums of money are trading hands, should be strictly regulated and carefully policed.
If large sums of money being traded is the requisite for being policed, then the large sums of money being traded should be the thing that get policed, not internal rules concerning personal habits.
Professional sports have arisen, in part, to allow the average citizen to witness great feats of human [accomplishement]
and
a product that I feel the use of steroids prevents them from receiving.
These two statements are contradictory. People on drugs are still people, and therefore the great feats are still 'human' accomplishments, regardless of whether or not the accomplish-ers are on drugs.
Such large-scale, large-profit consumer fraud should be thoroughly investigated and punished.Even if ( ... )
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I am not convinced that this is an issue of personal habits. In fact, I am strongly in favor of legalizing most drugs. The fact is that the owners of the MLB teams stand to make a lot of money by improving the performance of their players - there is a clear, financial incentive for these individuals to convince and enable their players to risk illness and even death.
Jose Canseco's book, which is at the heart of this issue, indicts then-owner of the Texas Rangers, President George Bush, as having been aware of the steroid usage between Canseco, McGwire, Giambi and other members of the team. I think such a clear violation of ethics is worth an investigation and hearing.
People on drugs are still people, and therefore the great feats are still 'human' accomplishments, regardless of whether or not the accomplish-ers are on drugs.I ( ... )
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There are also financial incentives in the armed forces to risk illness and death, I don't see how this is relevant to what you are discussing.
Obvioulsly if there was no incentive to do somehting, then no one would do it.
Jose Canseco's book, which is at the heart of this issue, indicts then-owner of the Texas Rangers, President George Bush, as having been aware of the steroid usage between Canseco, McGwire, Giambi and other members of the team. I think such a clear violation of ethics is worth an investigation and hearing.
Even if there was such a thing as ethics, there would be no way to prove those actions are 'unethical'.
I think this is a somewhat pedantic ( ... )
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