Terri Schiavo

[olpluvr]

The first issue to be debated is the case of Terri Shiavo. The conflict had started when her husband, Michael Schiavo, wanted to get Terri's feeding tube removed because he believed that Terri would not want to live in a vegetated state for the remainder of her life. Her family lost many battles with the court to reinsert Terri’s feeding tube and

Comments

[katiejeans]

I believe that it was entirely inhumane. She may have been in a vegitated state, but she could still vocalize and it was believed that she could registar faces, and voices

[ferret_angels]

I believe that it was a murder, a cold blooded one at that

[xratedouroboros]

"There are no legal documents supporting his claim that she would have preferred to have not lived through this state."

The proceedings of the various court cases and appeals all constitute, individually and collectively, a massive amount of legal documentation supporting his claim that she would have preferred not to have lived in an incapacitated state.

"Michael Schiavo can be seen as a loving husband who wants the best for his wife, or a cruel and unkind monster for letting her suffer such a death."I was about to snark that the exact same statement could be made about the Schindlers. Then I remembered that the Schindlers stated that they would do things that they knew were against Mrs. Schiavo's wishes just to keep her body alive

Your Concerns

[olpluvr]

I do apologize that you feel as if this topic was presented in a biased fashion. As I have mentioned in the "userinfo", I will try to inform the public of the two different viewpoints. However, I do admit that it is quite difficult to keep my own opinion out of the post since I am human and tend to take my own side

Re: Your Concerns

[xratedouroboros]

The bit about Mrs. Schiavo dying shortly after the Schindlers were ushered out, for example. They had a pre-arranged visitation schedule. It can be nothing other than a coincidence that Schiavo's heart stopped when they weren't in the room. There is simply no way for it to be blamed on a sinster plot hatched between Mr Schiavo and a personified Death. To present a baseless conspiracy theory as a rational alternative is to introduce bias.. whether you gave a competing viewpoint "equal time" or not.

It's mostly word usage and sentence structure, though. I can't really blame you, since a lot of it is just a representation of how you originally heard it.

The Schindler's are frequently referred to as "Terri's Family". "Family video tapes..." etc. Thus, Michael Schivo is symbolically excluded as part of Mrs. Schiavo's family.

Second. You say the family videos show Mrs. Schiavo was responsive, but that Michael Schiavo was reported to be with Mrs. Schiavo during the duration of her body's death. This is odd. The videos are far

Re: Your Concerns

[olpluvr]

“It can be nothing other than a coincidence that Schiavo's heart stopped when they weren't in the room. There is simply no way for it to be blamed on a sinster plot hatched between Mr Schiavo and a personified Death.”
I agree with you on this statement. However, Mrs. Schiavo was “planned” to die any day since she was carrying out her last few days and it would be medically impossible for her to live for another week at that point. In actuality, it was planned that her death would be done in a timely fashion, but it definitely was not a “sinister plot” on Mr. Schiavo’s part (or any family member at that).

mur·der (mûr'dər)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated maliceAs biased as my opinion may be, I cannot fathom letting a woman die when she is guilty of nothing. This is one topic I can’t bear to hear about because a woman who appeared to be happy with the new life given to her had it taken away. No one can know for sure if Michael had any cruel intentions, but my opinion is that he wanted

[iluvu2010]

as you said "There are no legal documents supporting his claim that she would have preferred to have not lived through this state." there was also no document saying that she dident want to live that way and where is the line that stops the publick fome tellign us how to live R lives ... it should have been up to the familey and ..the docters should not have just tacken the food away from her that my friend is is MURDERED and it was her husbens chosie and it should have not been up ot him it was her right to live or die and i dont think she asked 4 them to KILL her...so in my point of view i think that the docters that did it and the husbin ..should have to go to jail 4 MURDERED !!!!! ~hailey

[xratedouroboros]

Even if she had communicated her desire not to have her body maintained in an incapacitated state in the most clear and explicit language possible, she still would have died by having her feeding tube removed and being allowed to starve/dehydrate.

There are simply no other legal options in certain states. The way in which her body was allowed to die is an interesting topic for debate about Death With Dignity and/or Right To Die type initiatives, but it is a non-issue in the Schiavo case... there was no other alternative.

Since it's not the illegal killing of a human, it can't be murder. The Schindlers could bring a wrongful death suit in civil court, though.

[olpluvr]

Now, it is definitely understandable why Mr. Schiavo started a new relationship, but he better not qualify for any form of life insurance since her death was planned out. I’m sure that the media has glorified this subject to make some parties seem to be “angels” and others “monsters” (we all know who the classified subjects). When this whole situation is reduced to absurdity, what is left is that a woman died and she did nothing to deserve this slow and painful death. Serial killers get to appeal death penalty sentences and even if the killer gets the needle, it’s much more humane than what happened to Terri.

“Michael Schiavo was reported to be with Mrs. Schiavo”
I used the term “reported” loosely since that WAS what the reports were saying, the ones I provided below included. If she really did successfully communicate that she didn’t want to be kept alive, she would be just because she was able to express emotion. Then, if she wasn’t able to while in this vegetated state and it was in her wishes to not be kept alive in case any

[xratedouroboros]

Her death started over 15 years ago. That the details at the end of it were "planned out" won't affect the insurance claim. If it could, the insurance companies would do everything in their power to deny any life insurance claim when the patient died as a result of discontinuation of treatment/support.

Also, "lethal injection" typically consists of three seperate chemicals injected seperately by a timed mechanism. The first is a muscle relaxant. The second is a paralytic. The third is the lethal injection. Persons executed by lethal injection fail to thrash about in agony and howl in pain because the first two injections make it impossible to do so. Timers break and mechanisms jam, though, so sometimes they don't get all the injections or get them in the right order.
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And the Schindlers claim the videos show Terri Schiavo to be aware of her surroundings. But you didn't say that some people claim they show this... you didn't say they allegedly show that... you said the videos do show this and that. No acknowledgement of

[nuke_mercenary]

Im not a cold hearted prick... well I can be... but generally Im not and I belive that everyone has the right to die, But. She did this to herself thats what I find ironic, a woman who deprived her own body of important things. Died because her husband decided to deprive her of the same things when she could not fend for herself.