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Jul 12, 2006 12:38

There was a news story today about a 16 year old teenager who decided that he did not want to take chemotherapy for his cancer. He has already taken a round of chemotherapy and has decided on an organic method of treatment. His parents support him. He has been placed into foster care and his parents are now being charged with medical neglect. He ( Read more... )

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fnck July 12 2006, 20:35:31 UTC
Only the people with the illnesses/conditions themselves should have the right to dictate what happens in their own bodies. The state was way out of line in removing that sixteen-year-old from his parents ( ... )

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diogenesshadow July 12 2006, 21:04:23 UTC
Frankly, I entirely agree with you about the 16 year old. I think that at 16 he is old enough to decide whether to have chemotherapy, especially after already undergoing one round of it. He researched the issue and discovered an alternate mode of treatment, and I think it should be respected. There are reasons that herbal and organic remedies have stayed around for this long anyway, but I think that is a separate issue and I find the modern medical profession far too close-minded to any sort of treatment that is alternative to what they recommend ( ... )

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fnck July 12 2006, 22:06:01 UTC
Agreed. I don't understand how anybody-- especially doctors who know how painful and horrible chemotherapy can be-- is countering this boy's decision to take control of his body.

"I don't believe it's right to let an 8 year old die when a blood transfusion could save her, but I also sure as hell don't want her to grow up thinking she's ruined her soul." That's why I'm having trouble coming to a conclusion with that one, too. It makes me wonder why these people even bother to believe what they do-- who would want to work under a god who makes himself out to be that much of an asshole, anyway? I'll never understand religion. :P ( ... )

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diogenesshadow July 12 2006, 22:39:45 UTC
I have no idea. I don't believe in that stuff. I don't really know what I believe in, but if I did believe in a God, It would sure as hell let me get a blood transfusion.

I think that there are many organic remedies that are overlooked, and I'm weary of an industry where doctors get paid to write certain prescriptions, and prescribe medication as if they are some sort of candy. "Oh, your husband died, here have some Prozac." WTF? "You got a scrape? Have some Vicodin." Fucking hell.

Of course the bracelet is a brilliant idea. :-P In the future they can probably just plant a little nano-chip inside of you - the way they do for lost pets. That would be so cool.

Oh, of course they would appreciate it, it would save their lame asses money and decrease the population so that they could make abortions illegal as a mandatory health crisis towards the lapse in population! *snickers*

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zelest July 12 2006, 21:42:48 UTC
Those are two tough questions you are asking. Let's take the easy one first ( ... )

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fnck July 12 2006, 21:53:42 UTC
Wait, how and why can you disagree with a person's decision to pursue his or her favoured medical treatment? Especially in the case of the teenage boy? It's great that you support his right to make that choice, but it baffles me that you could claim to disagree with it. There's nothing to disagree with, as his choice isn't affecting anybody but himself.

That said, have you ever been through chemotherapy? For a lot of people, it's worse than cancer itself. It can be absolute fucking hell.

It's sad how people are raised to believe that a life riddled with pain and of horrid quality is better than no life at all, solely because "life is sacred and precious".

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zelest July 12 2006, 21:57:50 UTC
Since I don't believe in organic treatment, basically. I would have done it differently. And I do know my fair share about cancer. My mother almost died from doublesided breast canser. A near friend had blood cancer. A friend of my granny died from skeletal cancer. And currently my step grandfather is in hospital for intestance cancer.

But as I said, it is his choice. Would I be his friend or family I would read up on it and come with educated advice and try to sway his opinion, but I wouldn't force him to anything.

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fnck July 12 2006, 22:11:53 UTC
Why don't you believe in organic treatment? You don't even know what sorts of organic treatment the boy had in mind.

Frankly, I think it's mildly sick that you'd try to sway anybody in the direction of chemotherapy when it's obvious that they've found something more comforting and less invasive for themselves.

Then again, I'm against (or at least wary of) most of the key principles of the institution of modern medicine in the developed world, so if you support it, then take my opinion with a grain of salt.

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elwhyenen July 12 2006, 21:59:17 UTC
I believe people should do damn what they want to with their own bodies.

Sure it may not be "right" or it could even be pretty stupid, but in the end no ones going to be losing anything but that person. (Or/and the people that are bound to be effected by it, friends/family, etc.)

I don't see any reason why the government or authority should get involved in such personal matters, but only because I know I'd be pissing mad if someone told me to do this and that with my body, when I myself had different plans.

To each his own I guess, but in all honesty I do think its a bit foolish for unnecessaryinvolvement.

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diogenesshadow July 12 2006, 22:40:33 UTC
Here, here.

I LURV U HUZBAND.

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elwhyenen July 12 2006, 22:43:03 UTC
WHY HAVEN'T WE GONE AND ASPLODEY SOME FOO'Z AND FIX TEH WORLD YET!?!??!

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kat_chan July 13 2006, 05:12:30 UTC
Well, I see a difference between these cases, mainly because the one case involves someone old enough to make an informed choice, and the other does not.

The 16-year old should be able to make his own choices. If he doesn't wish to have chemo, it's his choice. Our bodies, our choices. I respect his parents for respecting his decision, as it was probably easy for them to accept. I think it's horrible that the state is trying to intercede.

As for the other case, she's a child. She's not capable of making the choice on her own. The government gives parents the right to make these choices for them. But the government also expects them to make the choices in the best interests of the child. However, we also have protections for religious expression, and some religions, such as Christian Science and Jehovah's Witnesses, have religious restrictions on what medical treatment adherents can receive. So what right does the state have to violate that religious expression? I remember a similar case when I was growing up in Connecticut ( ... )

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Jehovah Witness blood ban is deadly exjehovah July 13 2006, 16:46:01 UTC
Why Jehovah's Witnesses reject blood transfusions ( ... )

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