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May 14, 2010 22:20

So this is sort of an overall off-topic post for all other random things that don't quite fit the purpose of the request post.

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afterandalasia April 9 2014, 18:45:31 UTC
Okay, so yes, we should stop clogging up the thread over here with HTTYD talk. I know it's not Disney, but Elsa & Hiccup friendship is also fast becoming one of my favourite things, pfft ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove April 28 2014, 21:40:27 UTC
I wouldn't be surprised if it is some sort of cat sound (or mixed with cat sounds), with Toothless being so based upon cats. His webpage on the HTTYD website (http://www.howtotrainyourdragon.com/explore/dragons/toothless) calls him a giant winged pussycat, which is totally accurate. Except he probably weighs like a thousand pounds, so he can't sit in Hiccup's lap (he probably tries, lol.) The official website says he's like 26 feet tall, but it feels like it depends on how you measure. Like, on two feet, four feet or from tail to snout. In an episode of Riders, Fishlegs says that Toothless has a 48 feet wingspan, but hey, it's probably longer by the sequel. You are one big dude, Toothless ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] afterandalasia May 4 2014, 17:39:46 UTC
Well, from the opening of the second movie, Toothless definitely lies on Hiccup, which... is pretty much what happens when my cat tries to cuddle up. *snorts* But at least my cat is only thirteen pounds, not... whatever Toothless weighs.

Lololol, as I'm typing I'm back round to the first Dagur episode again. And Hiccup is all god damn, I don't want to babysit that lunatic again.

Same episode: "Dagur! I was just thinking about you!" Probably not helping, Hiccup.

Have I said recently HOW MUCH I've ended up shipping Gobber/Stoick?? Gobber just seems to be randomly at their house, you never see one without the other, in the Eel Effect Gobber is trying to kiss Stoick... and there's the one with the yak fondue? Where Gobber's like, "You know, I was just dreaming that you and I--" and Stoick is just "STOP THAT". And Gobber made Hiccup's diapers? I'm willing to expand to Gobber/Stoick/Valka OT3 ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove May 4 2014, 23:44:58 UTC
I reckon something like close to 1000 pounds? Big enough to carry Hiccup + Stoick (who's estimated by Hiccup to be 400 pounds per the series) but still slight enough that it is exhausting to carry Stoick all day.

Hiccup, come on, don't tell him that. And then in The Night and The Fury when Hiccup learns that Dagur couldn't stop thinking about him, Hiccup is like, I'm flattered. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE SNARKY, HICCUP.

I totally ship Gobber/Stoick. And OT3 Gobber/Stoick/Valka. And like you note, especially in Riders, he just seems to be randomly at the Haddock house, like practically living with them. And I just love that. Gosh, especially in When Lightning Strikes. (And he says he loves Toothless and calls Toothless 'old friend' in that episode, too, aww.) And Stoick even says in Viking For Hire that Gobber is like family and Hiccup agrees, and Hiccup thinks so highly of him ("good men... one of the best ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] afterandalasia May 7 2014, 13:56:03 UTC
Mkay, so, Guinness World Records say that the current record for the world's largest snake is about 25' and 400lbs. Recent estimates of pterosaur weights (seeing as those would probably be the closest real-world analogues to dragons) say that they were maybe 550-600 lbs at their largest (ones like Quetzalcoatlus at about 30ft.)

Toothless isn't quite snake-slinky, but I wouldn't be surprised if dragons in that world have some adaptations in common with birds or pterosaurs. So something around the half a ton mark sounds right.

(I struggle with ton/tonne measurements sometimes. The UK still has this odd blend of kilos and pounds which does not help matters at all.)

I should probably stop trying to apply science to dragons. But then the series does something like have Meatlug turn sandstone into glass, which is absolutely right, before turning around and having the boneknapper dragon running about. I don't even know any more where it stands in the science-magic continuum. Though I shouldn't complain when I do stuff like A Good Woman Is ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove May 7 2014, 15:51:15 UTC
Some information from the HTTYD2 art book (at least I think it’s the art book?) actually lists some of the weights for the newer dragons. You can find that here. Spoilery. The Bewilderbeast weighs in at 16,000 pounds (8 tons), with a wingspan of 150 feet and a length of 520 feet. But that thing is described as the King of Dragons, so yeah, he’s gonna be a big motherfucker. So, the Red Death (described as the Queen of Dragons), so it’s likely she’s about as big as that, or even bigger.

Yeah, I can certainly see dragons having adaptations with in common with pterosaurs and birds. It makes sense. Or maybe dragons evolved from pterosaurs. I mean, birds evolved from dinosaurs. And Pterosaurs and dinosaurs did share a common ancestor. So, perhaps, the two modern-day descendents (in the HTTYD world) of that common ancestor and it’s subsequent divergent, are birds (dinosaurs) and dragons (pterosaurs ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] afterandalasia May 7 2014, 16:08:44 UTC
I think that the Bewilderbeast is supposed to be the largest dragon known so far, so bigger than the Red Death. But still, yeah, those things are fucking huge.

Squinting one eye and tilting my head a bit, I'm guessing that dragons are sort of a class of creatures like 'primates' would be. Like, at about the Order level. So an extra branch of reptiles, essentially, probably a branch that survived the K/T extinction at 65mya and carried on gleefully through time.

The one thing that frustrates me is the varying number of limbs. I've ranted about this before with regards to Monsters Inc and U. Like, speed stingers or deadly nadders or even monstrous nightmares make sense, because they're still quadrupeds. And it's reasonable to lose sets of limbs, like the timberjack. But sorry, Toothless, you have six limbs and that is too many. There must have been some sort of mutation that let dragons end up with extra pairs of limbs, up to the extreme that is the Fireworm with ten limbs ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove May 7 2014, 23:48:31 UTC
Yeah, that makes sense. Dragons are their own Order. Plus, it seems like these dragons at least are mostly called species and not breed-- the different types of Harry Potter dragons are referred to as breeds. But perhaps that's less Dreamworks and more the characters. They might not have that concept of breeds.

And then it's sort of like with lions and tigers (part of all same classifications until you get down to species level). The species/breed thing tends to get me, because I just look at dogs and I'm like, all these different breeds of dogs are part of the same subspecies, Canis lupus familiaris and they can look wildly different appearance-wise while still being a dog (like dragons). The different types of dragons being different breeds of dragons rather than species makes more sense to me.

And plus, their official website says that the Hotburple is related to Gronckles, but a different breed of Boulder Class dragon. What. I think the class system for the different types of dragons is probably their wording for "Family" ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] afterandalasia May 9 2014, 22:16:15 UTC
Goddamn, I thought I typed up a reply to this. Must have lost it ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove May 10 2014, 04:04:31 UTC
Now I've got a mental image of Terrible Terrors in heat or whatever during mating season just of humping everything and Hiccup's like, "I'm so sorry about this." to anybody dealing with it. Of course, Hiccup does have a Terrible Terror (little Sharpshot, who first shows up in Worst in Show who makes a handful of appearances for the rest of the season), so that must be fun. Sharpshot humping Toothless's ankle and Toothless is like, growling and like "Hiccup, take care of this shit now or I will do it myself ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] afterandalasia May 10 2014, 20:00:58 UTC
(Broke the post length limit again. Whoops.)

Oh lord, Terrible Terrors would just hump everything. Including Snotlout, which would have Astrid laughing too hard to be of much actual help to Hiccup. And Fishlegs tries to help but gets flustered, and the twins are just trying to throw sex-crazed terrors at each other, because that's their sense of humour. But yes, I think Sharpshot & Toothless got on a looooot better than Torch, not least because they already know plenty about terrors so Hiccup isn't getting distracted by the shiny new dragon. Plus Toothless clearly new that Toothless's mother was going to come after him.

Astrid & Snotlout are funny, once they get themselves straightened out. Actually, it's A Tale of Two Dragons where they start getting their teamwork on, right? So Free Scauldy probably really was the beginning of the end for Snotlout's crush ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] afterandalasia May 10 2014, 20:01:15 UTC
So... yeah, 14-5 is definitely not unthinkable. I was pretty shocked by the 10, though. It also says that pretty much all women were married by the age of twenty, so Astrid and Ruff are pushing it by HTTYD2 *snorts*. Though I will note that HTTYD takes a pretty loose definition of 'Viking' culture, as it actually appears to be quite a bit less gendered than the real thing was. Ruff's haircut, for example, would actually have been illegal in some places and at some times ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove May 11 2014, 00:26:32 UTC
(Haha, ended up with two comments this time, too.)

Perfect assessment of everyone dealing with the humping Terrors, haha. Snotlout being humped, Astrid laughing her butt off, Fishlegs flustered, Twins throwing dragons at each other.

The only one to actually get distracted and ignore his dragon with the Terrible Terrors was Fishlegs. Poor Meatlug. She just wanted to torment sheep with you, Fishlegs. And Snotlout has one instance where he successfully interacts with a Terrible Terror (Appetite for Destruction), all the other times he gets attacked. Or gets frightened by them. And yeah, Toothless being well aware that Torch's mama was looking for him. The TV Tropes page for the series describes the issue so perfectly, "Poor Communication Kills: The plot of "The Terrible Twos" could have been avoided if Toothless had a reliable way of communicating "You took the baby and the mother is pissedAnd then Sharpshot turns out to be amazing at mail delivery and is quite useful. And totally seems so chill with hanging out in Toothless's saddle ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove May 11 2014, 00:27:12 UTC
Yeah, I think the way Dreamworks did it is that the HTTYD Vikings are a little bit more modern/progressive than they would have been for that time period. Like, I don't think that Berk Vikings have slaves like historical Vikings did. Or rather, I hope they didn't.

Though, I certainly can see there being some amount of fuss because of Ruff's haircut following Free Scauldy, yeah. Perhaps from Stoick and her parents, in particularly. I sort of picture Ruff not giving a crap about it, though. She seemed pretty happy with her decision, not an ounce of regret on her face. And I can see Hiccup defending her decision and even say, if you're going to punish anyone, punish me, she's my responsibility (heck, he even says that the twins are his responsibility in Zippleback Down). And then the issue just sort of going away. Obligatory mild sadness that her hair was back to normal the next episode.

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] afterandalasia May 11 2014, 23:54:57 UTC
Fuck post length limits. :p

Terrible Terrors don't even seem to be smart enough to remember their own mating season, considering there's an egg that hatches in Animal House which is several months before Snoggletog. Which... again doesn't really surprise me, knowing Terrible Terrors.

Getting back to the topic of dragon sex... as you do. Apparently komodo dragon eggs incubate for 8-9 months and it looks as if some snakes can clock in at 6-7 months as well. So considering the eggs looked to hatch in about three days, my guess would be that the dragons incubate the eggs internally for... however long it takes. With their size, maybe anything up to a year? Thus explaining why there hadn't been the, "What do you want me to do?! Tell them to stop having such loud dragon sex right overhead?!" around Berk. But I'm not a reptiles expert. But maybe Terrors don't have the same mating pattern as everyone else.

I did spend a fair bit of Terrible Twos going, "What's that, Lassie? Timmy fell down a well?" because I am a terrible person ( ... )

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Re: HTTYD Thread [Frozen Mention] ashleybenlove May 12 2014, 15:06:36 UTC
And that egg was so big compared to actual Terrors too. Of course, it was as big as a chicken. It's a bit concerning. But then again, it had to have been a dud or something because there's no baby Terror (or it froze to death because of the terrible weather).

That certainly would make sense for them to incubate internally for a period of time and then lay their eggs like three days before the little ones are to be born. And up to a year certainly would make sense. Elephants take like 2 years, but elephants are mammals and not reptiles.

Perhaps, the four main dragon species of Berk (Nadders, Zipplebacks, Nightmares, and Gronckles) have the same mating pattern of being right around Snoggletogg and then the Terrible Terror are just sort of whenever it feels like it??

One of the things I noticed in Thawfest is that the roof of the arena can basically move upwards and off, and like, that's the only time that happens. You think they would use that more often. It seems pretty odd to keep the roof on when it'd probably be so much easier ( ... )

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