Has feminism blocked social mobility for men?

[ditzy_pole]

I will have my rant once I get a few more minutes spare. But I will leave you with this for now.

Article on the BBC here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12970105

Feminism had made it harder for working class men to get ahead in life. Feminism trumped egalitarianism. It

Comments

[ailurus]

The best comment that I've seen about this shit, which was something that one of the people I follow on twitter re-tweeted was: my Marxist feminist dialect brings all the boys to the dole queue.

David Willetts needs a reality check.

[madwitch]

The best one I saw was when the Telegraph article first hit, and was from Josie Long.

"David Willetts. Fuck you. Fuck you fuck you fuck you. Sincerely, Women"

CORRECTION. She said it better.
"Fuck you, Willets. Fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you. Yours sincerely, women."

[ditzy_pole]

Nice. Simple. Succinct.

I think that message was too highly educated for him :P

[ditzy_pole]

Haha.

I don't quite follow his reasoning. He seems to be upset that women are getting high paid jobs and are highly educated.

[diana_molloy]

I saw the first article last week in...the telegraph, I believe, either quoted by someone on fb (I wanna say by Nic) or possibly it was on sf_d. Either way, it made me >: so much that I avoided the comments for fear of them being full of neckbeards.

SO MUCH STABBY!

[diana_molloy]

Why do you have random Japanese (or Mandarin...I wouldn't have a clue) anon comments? /nosy

:-/

[ditzy_pole]

I honestly don't know. I haven't been even receiving e-mail notifications of comments :(

[diana_molloy]

I've been getting mine hours later. I'm just pleased Lj is back. *is not addicted* I can quit Lj any time ;)

[madwitch]

The worst thing is that there is a very good rebuttal of this in the Daily Mail.

Okay, that's not the worst thing, but when the Daily Mail are telling you that you're wrong, then...

[jeunelis]

it's backwards day!

[ditzy_pole]

I am wearing underwear today :)

[ditzy_pole]

Linkie please?

Even if it is the mail. Perhaps it'll shoo away those Chinese(?) spammers!

[belak_krin]

There are a number of issues here, all of which have been completely ignored, amongst which are:

Can a single 'working class' wage comfortably sustain the average family unit (sans benefits) and if not, has that sector doubled in size to allow two parents to work without anyone losing out?

and perhaps more importantly:

Has the historic working class male attitude caused women to seek office, rather than vocational positions, placing them in the mindset of higher aspirations as the economy moves towards more office-centric position.

[sushidog]

The idea that dual-income families are a late-20th century invention is just wrong; in Victorian England, some 45% of the workforce was female. SO, about the same as it is now. Feminism didn't push women into jobs and it didn't push men out of jobs. It enabled women to get paid something a bit closer to a fair wage, and to do some jobs they couldn't previously do, but it didn't create the requirement for a second wage; economics does that all on its own. Willetts ought to consider reading a book, or something.

[belak_krin]

Regardless of whether you call it Feminism or Economics, the result is that everyone expects to work and there aren't double the jobs that there once were (particularly with the reduction in factory work in this country). The real statement is 'there would be more opportunity for mobility if half the country didn't have to work', which is a bit of non-statement

[lanfykins]

IE womens work becomes typist>secretary>legal secretary>Lawyer

...this seems unlikely in the extreme to me, involving as it does four years' study plus pupillage somewhere along the line.

I suspect the progression you actually mean is more along the lines of:

typist>secretary>office manager or
typist>secretary>HR>HR manager

[wiffly_shwoo]

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