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sea_thoughts May 4 2017, 20:44:03 UTC
I mean The Shakespeare Code comparisons are there, of course, but I felt like this also harked back to Gridlock where Martha spent the entire episode trying to get Ten to TELL HER SOMETHING.

Bill only has to spend one scene doing that - "That's not what I asked," she repeats, increasing the pressure with each repetition until the Doctor has to give her an answer. But she's not nasty or aggressive, just stubborn, refusing to let him fob her off.

If only she had met Ten… I’m still laughing.

Being a teenager, Ten was made of pure outrage... and sometimes just pure rage.

Now the interesting thing is that this almost exactly what happened to Rory. Not stepping on a butterfly, but the Doctor has walked beside a woman whose love had been erased out of time… The fact that he can now joke about it, speaks to how much *better* he is overall (i.e. not eaten up by guilt).I smiled at this because it reminded me of the last time we saw Rory and how when Amy scoffed "What, you think you'll just come back to life?" his whip-smart response was " ( ... )

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elisi May 4 2017, 21:07:49 UTC
but I felt like this also harked back to Gridlock where Martha spent the entire episode trying to get Ten to TELL HER SOMETHING. Bill only has to spend one scene doing that - "That's not what I asked," she repeats, increasing the pressure with each repetition until the Doctor has to give her an answer. But she's not nasty or aggressive, just stubborn, refusing to let him fob her off.
Oh excellent catch. Yes. Although the biggest difference is the fact that the Doctor has stopped running... Ten was running from everything, himself most of all. (I am working on a post re all this.)

Being a teenager, Ten was made of pure outrage... and sometimes just pure rage.
True dat.

I smiled at this because it reminded me of the last time we saw Rory and how when Amy scoffed "What, you think you'll just come back to life?" his whip-smart response was "When don't I?!"
I MISS THEM SO MUCH!

But Eleven could never have made the same kind of joke. It says a lot about how much Twelve's healed that he can.The Doctor was very compelling when he was ( ... )

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sea_thoughts May 5 2017, 21:16:54 UTC
It does indeed help that the Doctor is no longer running away from everything and has the time to stop and listen.

I MISS THEM SO MUCH!

ME, TOO. Oh Ponds...

I'm very glad that the Doctor is better.

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elisi May 6 2017, 16:50:20 UTC
It does indeed help that the Doctor is no longer running away from everything and has the time to stop and listen.
There will be meta on this.

ME, TOO. Oh Ponds...
Ponds. Glorious Ponds. *deep sigh*

I'm very glad that the Doctor is better.
As are well all, I suspect. Except for the rabid Ten fans. ;)

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kazzy_cee May 5 2017, 08:41:30 UTC
Nodding all the way through this :)

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elisi May 6 2017, 16:44:57 UTC
Doing a Churchill impression? (The dog, not the politician. *g*)

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ever_neutral May 5 2017, 13:29:59 UTC
She is trying to broaden her understanding, make what she already know fit with what she is just discovering, not learning from scratch

From Clara the teacher to Bill the (wannabe) student. Possibly a Class nod??

I am SO HAPPY that the thing about ‘never having time for outrage’ was a set-up

I love that this was set up just for the punch, tbh.

Now he may have forgotten Clara, but her lessons clearly made a deep, deep impact

My ecstatic agony will go on...

The fact that he can now joke about it, speaks to how much *better* he is overall (i.e. not eaten up by guilt).

I TOTALLY MISSED THIS. (PERHAPS I, TOO, AM BETTER NOW? lol.)

I’d also completely forgotten the River Thames birthday line. They passed up a great opportunity for audience torment tbh.

So far, it looks like Moffat has decided to use his final season on the show to revisit the first principles of the show, and compose a love letter to the glorious legacy of Doctor Who.

MTE.

This show doing us good.

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elisi May 6 2017, 16:49:08 UTC
From Clara the teacher to Bill the (wannabe) student. Possibly a Class nod??
More of a 'this is what he should have done at Coal Hill'... Rather than leaving them alone to work it out. (Don't get me wrong, I adore Class, and I don't want the Doctor to turn up & pull a magic solution out of his hat, BUT he does leave them with the most basic of guidelines & massive problems.)

I love that this was set up just for the punch, tbh.
Ah yes, that too. <3

My ecstatic agony will go on...
As I keep saying, Clara is ALL THE THINGS.

I TOTALLY MISSED THIS. (PERHAPS I, TOO, AM BETTER NOW? lol.)
We are all calm & zen about everything.

I’d also completely forgotten the River Thames birthday line. They passed up a great opportunity for audience torment tbh.
Considering we were supposed to care about the street urchins & the whale, it was probably for the best that they didn't have people search every scene for a glimpse of River & Eleven...

This show doing us good.

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cynthia2015 May 6 2017, 13:25:30 UTC

Have you seen the program: Whovians?

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elisi May 6 2017, 16:43:31 UTC
I don't think so.

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cynthia2015 May 6 2017, 17:39:38 UTC

Whovians is an Australian comedy panel chat show. They review/discuss each episode every week.

You probably don't have it where you are.

Did you notice the part where it looked like Bill swore but they cut to the next scene?

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elisi May 9 2017, 21:01:09 UTC
Whovians is an Australian comedy panel chat show. They review/discuss each episode every week.
Ah, thank you. I have probably heard of them, but there are so many reviews and all of the fans are of course called 'Whovians' so it was hard to pin point who they were...

Did you notice the part where it looked like Bill swore but they cut to the next scene?
Oldest trick in the book, but always fun! :D

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