DW 9.05. The Girl Who Died

[elisi]

Sorry this is so late, and scattered/basic. But it’s been a busy week... Mostly I'm just skimming the surface, picking out the main things I can see, without delving below in any kind of detail.

OTOH then Vikings/Norse mythology is stuff I am good with. (Nordic girl here.)

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[enevarim]

Dorium Moldovar as Mimir is amusing me now.
- You have just won the internets. Yes, again.

[elisi]

- You have just won the internets. Yes, again.
YAY! I love the internets. Now, how to get rid of 4chan...

[rustydragonfly]

Not gonna lie, I yelled "OH DON'T GROVEL" when Odin showed up.

And nevermind that electric eels don't work that way, they're native to South America! What are they doing with Vikings? WHO CARES? BECAUSE DOCTOR WHO. THAT'S WHAT.

And too much of a girl for the boys, too much of a boy for the girls, and with a head full of stories? Ashildr is me. And I'm not letting fandom take her away from me!

[elisi]

Not gonna lie, I yelled "OH DON'T GROVEL" when Odin showed up.
I had high hopes for this episode. But the second Sky!Odin showed up, the rest could have been pants I would have loved it forever. <3

And nevermind that electric eels don't work that way, they're native to South America! What are they doing with Vikings? WHO CARES? BECAUSE DOCTOR WHO. THAT'S WHAT.
THIS. THIS EXACTLY!

And too much of a girl for the boys, too much of a boy for the girls, and with a head full of stories? Ashildr is me. And I'm not letting fandom take her away from me!
That's what I forgot to mention. She's already a hybrid, someone not fitting into the categories. Thanks! *runs off to fix* (And I think a lot of people are Ashildr.)

[promethia_tenk]

And too much of a girl for the boys, too much of a boy for the girls, and with a head full of stories? Ashildr is me. And I'm not letting fandom take her away from me!
Ashildr is also Amy:

'You're in the most trouble of anyone in this school, apart from boys."
"And you!"
"I count as a boy?"

And a head full of stories, to be sure. Amy also had the ability to make stories real.

[elisi]

Hmmm. Lofty is a Rory-mirror. And we had O'Donnell & Bennett in the last episodes.

Am wondering if that's deliberate, or just how things have worked out.

[sea_thoughts]

My reaction to the Doctor's decision to save Ashildr. *points at icon* My tagline for this episode on Tumblr is "That distant WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING is Jack Harkness btw". I don't think Jack was exactly forgiving but they were stuck at the end of the universe and trying to save the rest of the human race. That tends to focus you somewhat. He still gave the Doctor some verbal hell for it.

When Odin appeared, all I could think of was Monty Python and the Holy Grail! *cries with laughter*

This episode was the opposite of the previous two: seemed very simple and yet produced a WEALTH of reflection. Lofty reminded me so much of Rory, the blacksmith with a baby... and of course the Doctor had to get involved once a child started crying.

[elisi]

My reaction to the Doctor's decision to save Ashildr. *points at icon*
Yeah, you're not wrong... Like, it's 100% understandable, BUT.

My tagline for this episode on Tumblr is "That distant WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING is Jack Harkness btw".
LOL. (And oh my god, please Santa Moff give us Ashildr/Jack. Or at least Ashildr AND Jack.)

I don't think Jack was exactly forgiving but they were stuck at the end of the universe and trying to save the rest of the human race. That tends to focus you somewhat. He still gave the Doctor some verbal hell for it.
Well, he was also hero-worshipping the Doctor/in love. And from what I saw of the next time trailer, Ashildr relegates the Doctor to 'sidekick', whereas Jack was always grateful to tag along. But then Jack was screwed up before he found the Doctor, whereas Ashildr was very secure in her place in the world.

This episode was the opposite of the previous two: seemed very simple and yet produced a WEALTH of reflection*nods a LOT* I've been BUSY, but also just been trying to sort through

[sea_thoughts]

Oh yes, completely understandable. But also wallbangingly bad.

Well, he was also hero-worshipping the Doctor/in love. And from what I saw of the next time trailer, Ashildr relegates the Doctor to 'sidekick', whereas Jack was always grateful to tag along. But then Jack was screwed up before he found the Doctor, whereas Ashildr was very secure in her place in the world.

Jack wanted explanations because he was brought back 'by accident' as it were and only the Doctor could actually tell him what happened. Rose couldn't control the power of the TARDIS and he was a victim of that, but it came from a pure place. The Doctor's not directly responsible for his resurrection (just for running away and judging Jack as being 'wrong'). Whereas he IS directly responsible for Ashildr's resurrection and his motives were... not exactly pure, either. His intentions were good but then they usually are... He deliberately brought Ashildr back... and then he left. He abandoned her. *sigh*

And oh my god, please Santa Moff give us Ashildr/Jack. Or at least

[elisi]

Oh yes, completely understandable. But also wallbangingly bad.
Yup.

Jack wanted explanations because he was brought back 'by accident' as it were and only the Doctor could actually tell him what happened. Rose couldn't control the power of the TARDIS and he was a victim of that, but it came from a pure place.
Yes. Rose didn't understand what she was doing.

Whereas he IS directly responsible for Ashildr's resurrection and his motives were... not exactly pure, either. His intentions were good but then they usually are... He deliberately brought Ashildr back... and then he left. He abandoned her. *sigh*
It's a sort of combination of Jack (in what happened) & Waters of Mars (in the Doctor's actions). There's also the fact that he did for Ashildr exactly what he refused to do for Danny...

That would be wonderful.
Ashildr/Clara would also be quite acceptable!

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[elisi]

Blimey. Lots of people must be tracking my review tag. Or something...

[heliopausa]

I'm here after kaffyr kindly gave me a link (to a later post) from DW.
I've enjoyed reading this post with the hindsight of later episodes. Things like "You'd go to hell if she asked. And she would" in the light of 'Heaven Sent' or Clara as the Hanged Man, when her pose in death was not the same, but vaguely reminiscent.

[elisi]

I'm here after kaffyr kindly gave me a link (to a later post) from DW.
I shall have to thank her. Welcome. :)

I've enjoyed reading this post with the hindsight of later episodes.
It's always interesting going back - how much is now obvious?

Things like "You'd go to hell if she asked. And she would" in the light of 'Heaven Sent' or Clara as the Hanged Man, when her pose in death was not the same, but vaguely reminiscent.
I'm very much looking forward to the last episode. I've got vague ideas as to how it might end, but nothing concrete...

[ragnarok_08]

She is beginning to work very much like River - trusting him completely to find a way out. Clara's Missy-prompted: 'Because he always assumes he's going to win. He always knows there's a way to survive. He just has to go and find it.' is just another way of stating River's perfectly assured 'There's always a way out'.

I agree with you there, and that brings up a very good parallel there.

[elisi]

Different wording, same essence. (Not sure that's the right word, brain malfunctioning a little.)

Although Clara is a little more concerned about her own welfare than River, judging by that little scene at the beginning. ;)