It was quite disturbing when I learned a few weeks ago that Prop 8 was leading in the polls, because it had been behind for weeks. I'm not actually quite sure where you're located these days or how much time you have, but you might check onca_a_banana's journal for information about how to help out in other ways
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Re: Some Evangelicals are AGAINST Prop 8easwaranOctober 21 2008, 22:38:06 UTC
Whoa, this sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theory to me, together with a "Protocols of the Elders of Salt Lake" message at the end. I don't know how much we can count on infighting between evangelicals and Mormons in actuality.
It's really annoying that it's possible to amend the constitution in California by means of a bare majority on a ballot initiative. But I guess that's all we'll have to do to overturn this if it passes.
That had occurred to me too. Given how often the parental-notification-for-abortions question shows up on the ballot, I'm guessing that this particular fight also won't be over one way or another come November. That said, given the trends in public opinion elsewhere where same-sex marriage has been recognized, I suspect that if we win this time, the other side's only going to see its support diminish. But if we lose, we present the same ballot question again (and maybe throw in some language to head off the goofier objections, like "No, seriously, we're not going to force your church to perform any ceremony it doesn't want to"), and who knows?
I will support the Prop 8 when gay lobby surrenders their privileges, such as "hate crime" laws, but not before. So far they ask for "fairness" while enjoying benefits of unfairness.
I don't think that the issue of gay marriage is a "risk in a close election". Firstly, it's not very important. I voted for Mitt Romney in California primaries, although he is a well known supporter of gay marriage and signed it into law when he was the governor of Massachussets. But also, all candidates drift in the same direction on this. Remember how John Kerry said: "I have the same position on gay marriage as the President... same position!" I did not study McCain's position, but considering how liberal he is, he might be a stronger proponent of it than Obama (and certainly more steadfast). Not that it matters anyway.
McCain supports proposition 8; obama opposes it. Neither one has been particularly vocal about it.
It's an odd moral position to support unfairness because "they" haven't "surrendered" something (which of course they can't do, not being the ones who actually implemented it).
You do realize that hate crime laws are no more "unfair" than 2nd vs 1st degree murder, or "drug possession" vs "drug possession with intent to sell", right? The intent and reasoning behind a crime have historically been subject to being examined ...
Hooray to you for taking a stand on this! My perception is that the rest of the country isn't watching California so closely that Obama is likely to have to weigh in on the issue -- those outside the state who are particularly involved in this campaign are probably mostly committed one way or another on the presidential race, regardless -- but I could be wrong.
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That had occurred to me too. Given how often the parental-notification-for-abortions question shows up on the ballot, I'm guessing that this particular fight also won't be over one way or another come November. That said, given the trends in public opinion elsewhere where same-sex marriage has been recognized, I suspect that if we win this time, the other side's only going to see its support diminish. But if we lose, we present the same ballot question again (and maybe throw in some language to head off the goofier objections, like "No, seriously, we're not going to force your church to perform any ceremony it doesn't want to"), and who knows?
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I don't think that the issue of gay marriage is a "risk in a close election". Firstly, it's not very important. I voted for Mitt Romney in California primaries, although he is a well known supporter of gay marriage and signed it into law when he was the governor of Massachussets. But also, all candidates drift in the same direction on this. Remember how John Kerry said: "I have the same position on gay marriage as the President... same position!" I did not study McCain's position, but considering how liberal he is, he might be a stronger proponent of it than Obama (and certainly more steadfast). Not that it matters anyway.
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It's an odd moral position to support unfairness because "they" haven't "surrendered" something (which of course they can't do, not being the ones who actually implemented it).
You do realize that hate crime laws are no more "unfair" than 2nd vs 1st degree murder, or "drug possession" vs "drug possession with intent to sell", right? The intent and reasoning behind a crime have historically been subject to being examined ...
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