We have snow! Snowballing and snowman building-type snow. It'll probably be gone tomorrow, but we made the most of it by staying up late and playing in it
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Thanks. I wrote a fic a long time ago where Sam thinks (in passing) about Dean getting into trouble for shoplifting a Wolverine action figure for him, and I decided to flesh out the incident. For some reason it got rather angsty.
I originally intended to have John spank Dean in this, but although I kind of love that idea, it doesn't ring true for me. *sobs* I think by this age John would be using extra training as a punishment for Dean, still physical, but more the kind of 'Drill Sergeant' discipline I think John would have imposed on the boys.
Pastor Jim is such a great character, he sees the Winchesters so clearly.
I think this punishment suits the situation and this story much better than anything else could.
Especially with all the tension at the table, and Jim pointing out it's ten to eight but John still refusing to give Dean a break, and Sam just in agony at the table for Dean, I want to hug them close so badly.
Thanks. I don't want you to smack John, not really. Maybe a little pat. I love the guy, I really do, but I think he probably made some not so great parenting choices. *g*
Excellent fic. I'm a member of the Tin Foil Hat Brigade (a TWoP inside joke), but damn, this just makes me want to read a fic where John totally gets his ass kicked for being such a miserable sonofabitch
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Thank you. You have to understand, I love John, adore him utterly, and I weep that we seem to have no chance of JDM returning to do flashback episodes. But I don't think he was a saint, or even a perfect father. He's been badly damaged by Mary's death, and he holds on to those two boys like a lifeline. He loves them desperately, but he's obsessed with catching Mary's killer, and I think that sometimes that obsession may clouded his judgement
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Your welcome, and I do agree with you that Sam had to win quite a few battles with his father. As to the victory you described in this fic, I think John maybe relied on pyrrhic victories a little too much
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Oh ouch. Of course John's logic is technically correct. Watching Dean be punished is probably a huge deterrent for Sam, but it's certainly not fair. I love how you write the Winchesters and Pastor Jim. Even if you don't spell out what's going on in their heads, it's pretty obvious and everyone's point of view makes sense which is why it hurts. Dean knows he screwed up by shoplifting, even if it was for Sam and he's fine with taking the full blame. Probably thinks he deserves full blame. Sam feels guilty. Pastor Jim see's one brother being sacrificed for another. And poor John is just terrified that his kids will be taken away because he didn't protect them. So he's got to be the hard ass and protect them by punishing them. Great story, but oh it hurts!
Thanks. John logic is scary, but it does work *g* It's a huge temptation when I'm writing to spell it all out, and I really have to work at holding back something, letting the reader figure out what's going on for themselves.
I think that's why I get so caught up in the physical details, to try and stop myself going into long descriptions of the characters' inner turmoil!
And you got exactly what I hoped from each character, so I'm doing a happy dance that my writing isn't utterly abstruse.
It's not at all abstruse, and I appreciate the fact you think your readers are smart enough to figure it out based on physical details alone. Sometimes stories get too weighed down by authors trying to endulge in every characters point of view. It's so much more effective with one point of view, and enough details to know what's going on in everyone elses head despite the filter of the primary character's opinions.
I also want to shake John for not seeing the long term effects of his punishments, but I get his fear. Fear makes a person do things they wouldn't normally. Technically he's right for punishing Dean. Dean stole the toy. Sure he knows it's really Sam's fault, but logic dictates he's correct for disciplining Dean. It's a sad logic, but it makes sense. I don't consider it abusive, just a poor decision. But considering John is operating out of fear, it's an understandable choice. Punish one son, protect both.
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Lord knows I'm a sucker for you for fic because as soon as I read the title I knew where this was going.
Amazing writing and as always it's awesome to get a glimpse at the Winchester family through Pastor Jim's eyes.
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I originally intended to have John spank Dean in this, but although I kind of love that idea, it doesn't ring true for me. *sobs* I think by this age John would be using extra training as a punishment for Dean, still physical, but more the kind of 'Drill Sergeant' discipline I think John would have imposed on the boys.
Pastor Jim is such a great character, he sees the Winchesters so clearly.
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Especially with all the tension at the table, and Jim pointing out it's ten to eight but John still refusing to give Dean a break, and Sam just in agony at the table for Dean, I want to hug them close so badly.
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I think that's why I get so caught up in the physical details, to try and stop myself going into long descriptions of the characters' inner turmoil!
And you got exactly what I hoped from each character, so I'm doing a happy dance that my writing isn't utterly abstruse.
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I also want to shake John for not seeing the long term effects of his punishments, but I get his fear. Fear makes a person do things they wouldn't normally. Technically he's right for punishing Dean. Dean stole the toy. Sure he knows it's really Sam's fault, but logic dictates he's correct for disciplining Dean. It's a sad logic, but it makes sense. I don't consider it abusive, just a poor decision. But considering John is operating out of fear, it's an understandable choice. Punish one son, protect both.
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