Just because they are your friends doesn't mean they will be your fans

Oct 01, 2004 11:59

And this has been a theme that has come up over and over again lately ( Read more... )

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fremont_brit October 1 2004, 09:55:43 UTC
A very good post that struck a chord with me. Thanks!
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enoelie October 1 2004, 12:20:16 UTC
Thanks! I had to write about this topic.

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roughdiamond October 1 2004, 10:16:31 UTC
Thanks. I needed to be reminded of that. :)

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enoelie October 1 2004, 12:19:51 UTC
You are welcome. :-)

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THANK YOU packgrog October 1 2004, 10:19:01 UTC
I don't know if you noticed some of my recent rants and were inspired by that to write this post, or if you've been coming across people in your own life lately with a similar kind of insecurity. Either way, I DEFINITELY understand how you feel here. I've been dealing with this a lot lately, and it's been annoying the hell out of me. I may have the air cleared a bit now with the other party (I hope), but it really irks me having to deal with stuff like this. Sometimes I genuinely appreciate a friend's work, like much of what I've seen of your work. I have an appreciation for certain visual asthetics, even if I lack your talent for creating them. Poetry, on the other hand, I couldn't give two shits about. Not even Shakespeare's sonnets. I like his plays, and that's it. And I don't care if you're Willie Nelson or Dolly Parton, I fucking hate country music ( ... )

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Welcome enoelie October 1 2004, 12:19:21 UTC
Heheheh... yeah you are personally experiencing the hard sell aren't you? Consider something else... When you are involved with an artist... I think you need examine whether you *really like* that person on a deeper level if you cannot come to admire/appreciate something that is so part of their inner world and, if you will, soul. If you don't like something from their heart and soul... what does that say about your regard for that person? Inherent incompatibility? If you are dealing with an insecure headcase, my apologies, man. It's your call on what you want to do with that ( ... )

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Re: Welcome packgrog October 1 2004, 12:36:28 UTC
It's a tough call. I *DO* see both sides of it, and I try to encourage her to continue with her art for it's (and her) own sake. Just don't expect wild raves from me about the work itself. It's like my uncle and his long tales about working for a company that makes refrigerators and microwaves. It's a huge part of his life, but, uh, not particularly fascinating to the rest of us. It doesn't mean that we don't care about him for other reasons, though ( ... )

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Re: Welcome enoelie October 1 2004, 14:42:50 UTC
But you see, the art and the person tends to be a package deal. Why would she want to be with someone who cannot appreciate/get excited about all parts of her life rather than simply accepting the fact that someone she cares about is merely tolerating her craft and supporting it with a cool detachment (disinterest?)... I dunno, seems kinda lacking to me personally. I would want to get excited about the object of my affection's craft... really... even if it was just making microwaves or whatever. Maybe I am nutty enough to believe that I would get excited over this because HE was involved with that... so if he's into it... I am into it... not because he EXPECTS me to feel that way, but because I do by my own volition because I want to be a part of his life in every way. I know that I cannot provide that for someone else when I am on the updraft and hell if anyone can keep up with my endeavors in that regard. I have to throw myself into the craft to keep the momentum going.

It's nice to be able to appreciate someone's work, but it ( ... )

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mattstratton October 1 2004, 10:19:02 UTC
I try to avoid pressuring my friends into purchasing anything I have created. If you want to buy a copy of my movie on DVD, I'm happy. However, I won't give you a free copy, because, well, I'm heavily in debt over that film, and every couple of bucks helps ( ... )

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enoelie October 1 2004, 12:10:53 UTC
I take notes on who supports and who doesn't when I need it. If they don't believe in me in the early stages, I won't believe them when they are kissing my ass later.

Lame excuses for what could be once-in-a-lifetime events do not fly with me. If I had a showing every week, I might let it slide. ;-)

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Agreed enoelie October 1 2004, 11:53:51 UTC
I agree with what you've said there.

Especially...
If I were given $100,000 to develop my career, I'm quite sure that I would make a decent return on that investment. It would be just as legit a gamble as investing in a new restaurant, or a Hollywood movie, or even an advertising scheme. Many people are turning to auctions right now as a means of protecting their wealth. There was a time when some would also invest in emerging artists. Possibilities for a windfall are great.

It takes special people to recognize when you are going to skyrocket at some point and put their money where their mouth is. I have a hard time with this. Most people do not want to do that with a risky "sure thing"... I am one of those to some. I have witnessed patron's remorse and it stings ( ... )

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Re: Agreed enoelie October 1 2004, 12:09:09 UTC
I am all about supporting someone... chances are though, I will like their work at least somewhat. I have a hard time outright hating anyone pours their time, passion, soul, efforts into... if it means something to them, I can go beyond the end result (whether I really dig it or not) and just experience/witness their happiness of sharing their work with the world and people who will totally dig it through and through.

Bullying = desperation.
People should not have to risk their dignity over some form of recognition.

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