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Apr 27, 2008 14:53

I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with the political climate these days. I'm divided pretty much straight down the middle when it comes to Hillary and Obama... I like them both, but I don't love either one. I agree with a lot of what they both have to say; they (and their supporters) have both said and done things that have made me cringe or ( Read more... )

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Personally I think she has way more cattraine April 27 2008, 21:59:42 UTC
political experience then he does. I also see a lot of upcoming young male bashing older white female--which I get way enough of in the workplace. Doesn't seem to matter how much experience she has..he is the hot young newcomer.

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winterweathered April 27 2008, 22:00:34 UTC
THANK you.

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svmadelyn April 27 2008, 22:03:03 UTC
Soooo much agreement in here. I was utterly braced for a fight in my comments section over my own Hillary support post (presumably, I was one of the two you saw), and I was just hoping it wouldn't come from someone I really, really liked. Not because I would hate to fight with them, necessarily, but because I'd...uh. Think less of them if they disagreed with the pervasive sexism going on, in particular. I've been so horrified at what I've seen, and to see people *not* horrified is just too much at this point.

I'm hoping that the damage done to the Democratic Party isn't as significant and long-running as it seems like it really, really could be.

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unovis April 27 2008, 22:10:53 UTC
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Thank you for speaking up.
It's easier to support Hillary in RL than online, in face to face conversations with friends. The atmosphere is toxic wherever her name is raised among my LJ 'friends'. If Obama had waited out this election season, I wonder if the hatred directed toward Hillary from opponents to the current administration would be as strong and harsh.

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girlguidejones April 27 2008, 22:18:02 UTC
And then there's the "soft racism" as someone on my flist put it (both our states went for Clinton, mine despite being heavily against Bill Clinton during Monicagate): a white woman is more worthy than a black man. The OH and PA primary exit polls certainly supported that premise.

Although I am an Obama supporter, there is one particular thing he does which I find very irksome: he frequently refers to Clinton as "Hillary" despite her almost invariably referring to him as "Senator Obama". I am guessing that it's political strategy...familiarity calculated to put the two of them on the same level, perception-wise, aimed at counteracting her edge in experience. But I find it sexist.

I don't see a lot of politics on my flist; my perceptions are formed mainly by my RL interactions and so may not reflect LJ doings as a whole.

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girlguidejones April 27 2008, 23:55:46 UTC
McCain refers to her as Senator Clinton; Obama uses Hillary (but refers to McCain as Senator McCain.) Professional courtesy would dictate the use of her title at least occasionally, but he almost exclusively refers to her as Hillary. As I said before, I don't feel the intent is sexist; I feel it's calculated to put them on the same level, status-wise. But even though I am politically saavy, it still feels sexist to me. She may be "Hillary" in NY, but Obama's not from New York. Neither am I nor the vast majority of the remainder of the registered voters in the US. The Obama campaign would be wise to at least consider that.

YMMV.

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