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fish0251

Response to Moxie

Jun 11, 2006 02:38

With the federal marriage amendment in the news lately, I've been thinking some about Christians who lobby for the acceptance of homosexual relationships both within and without the church. My former church, Spirit of Hope UMC, has become a reconciling congregation which means they "welcome people of all sexual orientations". I'd like to respond ( Read more... )

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tonapah June 11 2006, 23:36:47 UTC

If you feel that strongly about it, don't you think it would be beneficial to join that church again and try and reform it from the inside? Complaining about the policy to the church as a non-member isn't going to do anything; complaining in an internet blog will accomplish even less.

fish0251 June 13 2006, 15:32:58 UTC

Well, because the road to reform I would like for the Methodist Church is for it to come into full communion with the Pope. That's why I became Catholic in the first place. I'd be "disguising" myself as a Protestant in order to convince them to become Catholic!

The post was more a general response to the claim by some that in the gospels Jesus accepts everybody, therefore we should make no moral distinctions or judgements. I think this is just plain false. God loves and forgives all those who, by His grace, humble themselves and repent.

tonapah June 23 2006, 20:09:31 UTC

The whole issue of the Protestant Reformation was rejecting the authority of the Pope, so why shouldn't the Methodist Church instead go into communion with the Orthodox church, which never recognized the self-proclaimed authority of the Pope over the eastern (non-latin) christian churches in the first place ( ... )

fish0251 June 24 2006, 07:11:17 UTC

Brother, I'm sorry you didn't sign your comment, but I hope you stop back. Indeed the Orthodox Churches have preserved a beautiful liturgical and spiritual tradition down through the ages, of which I'm woefully ignorant. However, I do believe the See of Peter was given the necessary role and authority of maintaining unity in the body of Christ here on Earth.

If you have particular affection for the Eastern Liturgy, perhaps you could find a home in an Eastern Rite Catholic Church which shares that tradition of worship?
Vatican II Decree on Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite
Catholic Encyclopedia: Eastern Churches
Wikipedia: Eastern Rite Catholic Churches

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katkats June 27 2006, 01:45:00 UTC

Hey Dan:)

I am interested in understanding why you think that being gay is a sin in itself. Keep in mind though that I am not a bible-reader in general.
I have been having lots of conversations with people of various backgrounds about this, but haven't really talked to strongly religious people about it.

Are you coming to Adam's wedding ?

Greetings to Amy and you children.

Katharina

fish0251 June 27 2006, 06:27:17 UTC

No, Amy was at Caltech for her 5 year reunion to see Adam et al and will not be returning for the wedding.

Ah, Katharina. You ask so politely! I read the last entry on your own journal, so I hope I won't re-ignite a rant with my reply. ;)

I realize that you don't necessarily recognize the authority of Scripture or of the Catholic Church to teach such things, but I'd like to refer to the Bible and to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) to explain the reasons why Catholics believe homosexual relations are wrong.

It's important to begin with what marriage and human sexuality are for. God purposefully created human beings male and female. This was not an incidental quirk of God, but rather an essential characteristic of who we are. As such, we look to God to tell us what he created man and woman for. In Genesis, God immediately blessed the man and woman saying, Be fruitful and multiply. (Gen 1:28) Later, when Eve is formed by God from the rib of the Adam he sees her and says, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh ( ... )