I guess dissent is no longer Patriotic

Nov 06, 2008 10:13

I have been reading with much interest and slight amusement all of the posts where folks are now saying that we need to work together ( Read more... )

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ghostrider65 November 6 2008, 16:07:14 UTC
Which is why we are in the situation we're in...it is really hard to debate issues when folks take disagreement as a personal attack, or make disagreeing a personal attack.

There is plenty of pettiness to go around. Guess it's up to me to keep my discourse appropriate, but that hasn't ever changed...

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ghostrider65 November 6 2008, 16:37:44 UTC
You hit it on the head. There is a certain profit in creating polarization.

There would need to be a paradigm shift that created more profit in consensus than disagreement.

It goes back to the classic statement that if people actually followed what the 4 major religions said in their documentation we'd be better off.

People tend to foul things up.

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bittibuddha November 6 2008, 16:04:01 UTC
"It's just funny that all the people who cursed at me for the last 8 years are asking something of me that they have been unwilling to do themselves before now."

All?

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kateslover November 6 2008, 16:13:58 UTC
*APPLAUSE* Brilliant, LT, positively brilliant! I hope ye don't mind if I be piratin' yer subject line? Sounds like a fine motto, it does.

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ghostrider65 November 6 2008, 16:27:45 UTC
I actually 'liberated' part of it from someone else...so piracy of pirated goods is fair game.

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kateslover November 6 2008, 16:35:57 UTC
Fair play to you then!

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katequicksilvr November 6 2008, 16:31:12 UTC
Rats, Ani's comment is the kind I usually make. "All?" I'm not much good with sweeping statements, putting folks in boxes, or slapping labels on things or people...which is why, overall, I agree with you. It IS weird, isn't it?

My beloved godson told his young son it was OK to hate Bush...in my worldview, it's hardly OK to hate ANYone, and I told him so. As you say, the office still commands our respect.

Mine, anyway. Doesn't matter if I'm not enamoured of the man...

And yeh, I've changed my attitude since the 60s.

But..."all"? :-)

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kateslover November 6 2008, 16:34:41 UTC
Yep - like I've always said (and do NOT start in on "Always?"), hating someone is like taking poison and hoping they die...

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katequicksilvr November 6 2008, 16:36:22 UTC
In my admittedly limited (11-year) experience, you have always said that. So no argument!

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beatrizwench November 6 2008, 17:33:15 UTC
I love you.

Bunches and ooddles and stuff.

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pharmtoxgirl November 6 2008, 17:38:55 UTC
I'd also argue that dissent has been un-patriotic for the past 4+ years - at least where I am. 4-5 years ago I was out, speaking with a friend that I didn't agree with the policies of Bush - not hate talking, but explaining where I was coming from and two random guys got really nasty with me because I disagreed with the president = unpatriotic. I only tend to talk politics with people now if I'm in someone's home. It got old real quick. And I may overhear conversations that I don't agree with when I'm out - but I don't attack those people (I may talk about it later - LOL). Anyways, I digress--

But - I've actually been reading what you're referring to and shaking my head about it - because I totally agree with you (even though I voted for the president elect). As kaliopi said, the winners can afford to magnanimous - I guess.

Dissent is healthy. Anyways, since I'm debating just deleting this b/c I rambeled I'm going to hit post before I do so.

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ghostrider65 November 6 2008, 17:56:15 UTC
As a juxtaposition to that, I have been clobbered on LJ a lot this year.

Ramble on...I promise that I will only pick on you in person

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pharmtoxgirl November 6 2008, 18:07:20 UTC
I know you have. I think I unintentionally even got you one time, when I reread what I posted it wasn't what I meant to say. But I didn't read it right away ( ... )

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johnbroadfoot November 6 2008, 20:21:40 UTC
Me too, but to be faire (at least as long as that's still allowed, there are people who LOVE the 1st amendment, unless you you have the gall to disagree with them), I've done a bit of clobbering myself. I've never been one to stand idly by when b/s is being spouted, but I fear the loyal opposition may become an endangered species soon.

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