Comments | girlofavalon: About Republicans vs. Democrats

girlofavalon

About Republicans vs. Democrats

Jun 25, 2012 17:22

I've been meaning to post this follow up to this reposted entry about Mitt Romney since after reading a rather thought-provoking entry from another friend on my f-list. Unfortunaly, it's not possible to link back to the entry in question, but my friend has kindly let me share some of what he posted ( Read more... )

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ladyhadhafang June 25 2012, 20:30:01 UTC

Agreed, so very much on the "a human being's rights shouldn't be a matter of opinion" thing. Seriously.

girlofavalon June 25 2012, 20:59:58 UTC

Thanks.

ladyhadhafang June 25 2012, 22:20:02 UTC

You're very welcome. :)

clionona June 25 2012, 20:43:17 UTC

While Obama is not perfect, you cannot hold him accountable for not fulfilling promises. He has a Republican ruled congress (the only branch of the government that can actually make laws) fighting him at every turn and refusing to pass any legislation he puts before them. He has tried, and that is what matters. As for the issue of marriage equality, if he had said he was for it in 2008 he would not be president now. There was no "realization" as you put it. He was always for fairness and equality but was gagged. You imply that he came out in favor of marriage equality to get votes, which can't be further from the truth. He's going to take a hit in votes, if anything. His declaration was nothing but brave and it may very well cost him a second term.

Just throwing in my two cents.

girlofavalon June 25 2012, 20:54:00 UTC

Those are good points and, believe me, I don't hold Obama accountable for not fulfilling his promises. I like to believe he would have, if only the system would allow for it. Alas, the system doesn't.

I'm sorry if I somehow offended you.

clionona June 25 2012, 21:11:13 UTC

Oh, you didn't offend me at all! I love it when people think and write about these topics. It's important that politics get discussed ( ... )

girlofavalon June 25 2012, 21:28:59 UTC

That makes me feel so relieved! The last thing I want is for you to be upset. ♥

I definitely understand getting a little rankled about that, but to be fair I don't think the person I quoted meant to imply that people like you and most Democrats out there believe in the same things as the Republicans. Quite the opposite. People like you and me believe in the right things, it's the system, its functionality and its ability to bring the right things to pass that's being questioned. :)

alley_skywalker June 25 2012, 20:52:44 UTC

While a lot certainly depends on the economy and both parties play the politics game and are forced to be moderate to get votes, there is a detonate difference in ideologies. And it's not true that these parties are funded by the same companies - for example, republicans get funding from big industry and manufacturing, oil companies etc. Democrats are more likely to be funded by ee progressive tech corps. The differs ce is in the party visions, which vary a d which matter. Often, it's not so much the fault of the party that things do not get do e but the fault of the party blocking legation at every turn.

girlofavalon June 25 2012, 20:59:42 UTC

I'm not attacking either side here, and I don't claim to be an expert. Just throwing my two cents from observation. There's something rotten in the way the system works, right down to corporations having any say in the matter in the first place, and it should be acknowledged.

alley_skywalker June 26 2012, 10:26:30 UTC

I definitely think that corporations have too much of a say in policy but they have a say in all interest group systems, even the European corporatism system. I'm starting to think that our single member district system is more of a problem than anything.

forcewatcher June 25 2012, 21:16:08 UTC

Food for thought for anyone who thinks there's actually a difference between Repubicans and Democrats... Without the defense of the Constitution and its Bill of Rights, there is no defense of anything else resembling freedom or liberty.

http://www.bordc.org/

girlofavalon June 25 2012, 21:42:16 UTC

Precisely.

high_striker June 25 2012, 21:43:34 UTC

I think the significant difference between the two parties is, and always will be social issues like gun control laws, gay marriage, abortion, etc. Granted, I think a lot of politicians just play on these issues for votes, and then never do anything about it, so their views on issues may not actually matter. But when it comes to the economy- I think all politicians are the same, no matter what they might say, because no matter who it is, they're going to keep trying to spend a shit ton of money ( ... )

girlofavalon June 25 2012, 21:50:14 UTC

You make some good points here.

Like I said, I don't claim to be an expert in the workings of American politics. I'm not even American in the first place.

I'm just glad that even if it took this long he at least came out on the right side of the issue.

He certainly came out on the right side of the issue. There's no denial about that. Although I admit to having found the wording more awkward than the timing.

high_striker June 25 2012, 22:10:25 UTC

Yeah, I agree that the wording was awkward, I just attribute that to the timing. It didn't seem like he was quite ready to make such a statement, and he didn't get to do it on his own terms/in his own way, because they had to respond to Biden's comment, so they were forced to make a statement.

And as for you not being an expert- I can say that you seem to know more than a great deal of Americans I know, so props for that. At least you're aware and thinking about these things. :)

girlofavalon June 25 2012, 22:21:49 UTC

You make a good point.

Thanks for the compliment. :) There's also the fact that I can't pretend that what happens in the USA doesn't affect my country (or most countries, really).