Common Sense vs. Aaron

[gynjii]

It never ceases to amaze me how science has become increasingly politicized. How an art that deals solely with facts - not opinions or judgements - has become a subject of manipulation and politics just baffles me

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[serria]

My personal opinion is that Intelligent Design isn't (yet) a science, because there isn't enough testable evidence to back it up... it's not impossible in my eyes and I'm sure not shutting out the possibilty, but I'm waiting for more grounds before I call it that ... but even so, I agree with you. I hate it when people make statements without having evidence. Be it the religious extremists who still claim the world is flat, or the macho atheists who close their minds to any possibility that maybe evolution didn't happen. It really works both ways and comes down to people just wanting so badly to be RIGHT that they forget to seek the truth all over.

[gynjii]

My personal opinion is that Intelligent Design isn't (yet) a science, because there isn't enough testable evidence to back it up...(American Heritage Dictionary) Science - The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena

[nodding_folk]

It's not science because it doesn't and can't make any testable claims. It's so vague that any observation can be made to fit it, it's not not falsifiable.
It's not science, it's nothing but an attempt to get past the American ban on teaching Creationism in public schools by giving it a new, more "scientific" sounding name and dispensing with the overt Bible based nonsense.

There's no "possibility" that "evolution didn't happen", you don't have to be a "macho atheist" to see that.

[gynjii]

First off, I never said that 'evolution didn't happen' and I'm not really where you pulled that from.

The topic of the conversation between Aaron and I wasn't even Evolution vs. Science.. it was merely discussing 'Whether the Intelligent Design Theory is a Legitimate Science'.

'It's not science because it doesn't and can't make any testable claims.'

But it does and has made testable claims. As I stated before, the science employed in Intelligent Design is the exact same as that used in, say, forensics. And the conclussions drawn from sciences like forensics are considered legitimate to such an extent that their finding hold up in a court of law! So holding Intelligent Design to a higher or seperate standard is simply an unacceptable argument.

"It's not science, it's nothing but an attempt to get past the American ban on teaching Creationism in public schools by giving it a new, more "scientific" sounding name"Again, that is simply untrue. There are books dating back to the 1700s that speak of Intelligent Design as a theory based

[mcubas76]

It sucks when somebody cannot debate intelligently about such an interesting topic. I do think that evolution happened, but that doesn't mean that god doesn't exist... I believe that the book of genesis in the bible is just an allegory of what really happened, it is not a literal account. :)

[gynjii]

I agree with Stephen Jay Gould, who, though an atheist says that, 'the natural sciences - including evolutionary theory - were consistent with both atheism and conventional religious belief.'

I belive that the book of Genesis was written to be taken literally.. but as far as 'origin of the universe' theories, it's a topic that particularly interests me, and I don't mind discussing details with anyone.. it's just those with total dogmatic convictions of correctness that drive me batty. Usually those who claim to be the most 'open-minded' are the ones who refuse to allow their ideas to be examined or challenged.. I get so thrilled when I meet people who actually like to toss ideas around and share information...

[sekomako]

It's frustrating trying to have a discussion/debate with someone who doesn't stick to the rules...

I've often found in those situations that the reason why the other person continues to bring up religion (or whatever) is because they don't have any evidence or facts to support their argument. Not saying the facts don't exist, I'm just saying that they don't know as much as they think they do. And often when they are presented with evidence that supports the other side of the arugment (what they don't believe in) they get annoyed or frustrated or and they try and say whatever they can just so they can feel like they are right.

I don't know if that made sense. I'm not so good with the words tonight ^^;

Yup.

[gynjii]

Hahaha.. totally random.. everytime I have trouble putting my words together I think of that MadTV skit, where they're making fun of Shakiras song 'Objection'... I feel compelled to post the MadTV lyrics.. haha!:

Its not my fault that I'm no understandible
And I try so hard just to be bilinguable
Translation it gets me a wide frustration
Cause I was born in another nation
Translation my tounge speak is in tangle
I'm dizzy dingle dangle

Hahaha.. makes me laugh! *giggle* ^_^

[sekomako]

Oh god, I feel like that every day ('specially in Japanese).

[kimberlin]

You're subject line... I use that one with my daughter only the other way around, EmmaJoy vs. Common Sense. Em usually wins....

Your post, join Atheists and debate them, oh the replies you will get. Some of them go on so long that I just can't even read.

[kimberlin]

join atheism...not atheists. Dunno, there might be an atheists blog. I'm in atheism.

[gynjii]

LOL, I don't really go out of my way to debate people. They somehow come to me.. lol. Seriously! I even avoid Christian chat room because people go there to pick fights.. haha! ^_^