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May 01, 2005 21:41

When thoughts create percieved reality, and physcial reality is just an illusion, how can you create a physical test to test anything, when the test itself is as illusory as perception.
This is the reason science cannot get past a certain point, because it demands physical evidence of things that are beyond physicality.

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smak_my_bitch May 1 2005, 09:42:51 UTC
Science does not attempt to explain why it works, only how it works. Everything else is philosophy. Science cannot answer why you exist.

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"If everything has a place, then place too must have a place, and so on."
-- Aristotle, attributed to Zeno.

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hunter_seeker May 1 2005, 15:01:38 UTC
But science seeks to explain everything with physical evidence or procedures, when clearly, many things are beyond that.
At some point science, metaphysics, and philosophy become one and the same.

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smak_my_bitch May 1 2005, 22:45:39 UTC
I'm not sure I follow you here. What many things are clearly beyond the physical?

If it can be quantified, science can explain it.

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chuppa May 2 2005, 03:59:00 UTC
When belief itself is what defines reality, how can that be tested?

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metallic_wings May 1 2005, 11:29:25 UTC
yup.

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five_elements_r May 2 2006, 22:38:27 UTC
There are different definitions of science accepted by different groups of scientists. The earliest of contemporary is so-called classic science that states that it can really find out the truth behind everything, or at least will be at some distant future.

Then goes non-classic science. It presumes that the results of a research depend upon the instruments used. So if instruments change, than results change and truth is out there somewhere.

Third, there is post-non-classic science. The principle is that not only instrumentss affect the results of research, but also beliefs of scientific community. Sociology of science states that scientists incessantly construct the reality of scientific discourse with their thoughts and ideas and judgements and projections and so forth.

I studied sociology of science for a while and it really makes you ponder over some things.

Thus, I agree there can be no physical test to test out anything.

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