The visions bring a whole lot of questions - like why some of the special children (Sam, Ava, Webber, the kid Gordon ganked) had them, and some (Andy, Jake) didn't. Why Sam only ever saw people in trouble, as (apparently) did Ava, and the electrocuted-my-neighbor's-cat kid and Webber had dreams where the "Yellow-Eyed-Man" spoke to them directly.
Why the visions seemed to stop as soon as the special children started tapping into their more powerful psychic abilities - Ava and her demon-control, Sam and his exorcisms.
I think the visions were a way of leading the special children on. I think the Azazel purposefully gave them to those children he felt were less prone to using their powers, or perhaps, the ones who hadn't started using them soon after they manifested.
Andy was using his mind-control, Jake was using his super-strength, all Lily needed to do was touch people so there was no way she couldn't use them. Max was quite the psychic boy when Sam and Dean met him. Webber had started using them when he showed, but it sounded
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The visions bring a whole lot of questions - like why some of the special children (Sam, Ava, Webber, the kid Gordon ganked) had them, and some (Andy, Jake) didn't. Why Sam only ever saw people in trouble, as (apparently) did Ava, and the electrocuted-my-neighbor's-cat kid and Webber had dreams where the "Yellow-Eyed-Man" spoke to them directly.I don't think Sam and Ava's visions were the same as Webber and Scott's (the kid Gordon ganked) - Webber and Scott had dreams where the YED spoke directly to them, but neither Sam or Ava (as far as we know) ever saw him in any of their visions. Sam's dream at Cold Oaks where the YED spoke to him directly wasn't like his "normal" visions: it showed the past instead of the future and it wasn't as disjointed
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Thanks to impulsiveanswer for tackling this, because it seems to me this has become a forgotten issue but one which could/should? be relevant post-Monster. The idea that they're not demonic at all is a pretty fascinating idea and I think that would be a great twist by the show.
Ava and Sam were having visions but weren't using their powers...he just carts her off to Cold Oaks (as far as we know) and forces her to use them, for survival.
That's a really interesting take on why some had them and some didn't. Makes sense.
The idea that they're not demonic at all is a pretty fascinating idea and I think that would be a great twist by the show.
Oh, definitely. The angels (well, most of them) and even his family seem to believe Sam's future may very well be with demonic forces; I think it would be poetic if it turns out the powers that first sent everyone into a worried tailspin turned out to be from God.
I still feel I'm no closer to the real answer or even an answer I can live with...just lots of questions.
I might even condradict myself here because I can't make up my mind! But I think visions were never met to be anyones primary power, they were just a form of communication. I had proposed that perhaps they were a form of nacent demon telepathy. There's no evidence in the recent shows to prove this, but we know that angels and demons can comminicate via some sort of telepathy, so it exists.
I like the idea that it's more angelic and used to warn the person of immient danger. But that would mean Azazel deliberately sought out children with powers to corrupt rather than being the one who gave them the powers.
I also like the idea that Sam's powers aren't evil, but in beliving they are he has made them so. (like the line in HellHouse: "How many things are real because we believe in them?")
But I think visions were never met to be anyones primary power, they were just a form of communication. I had proposed that perhaps they were a form of nacent demon telepathy.
The dreams Webber and Scott had were definitely communications, but they were so dissimilar to what Sam and Ava experienced (direct communication with the YED, who made promises that were both welcome and ominous vs. somewhat disjointed visions of danger that didn't have the YED in them at all) that I wonder if they came from the same source.
I like the idea that it's more angelic and used to warn the person of immient danger. But that would mean Azazel deliberately sought out children with powers to corrupt rather than being the one who gave them the powers.It's not necessarily true that people who get divine dreams of warning are gifted with powers (in the Bible, the story of the Nativity ends with Joseph - and ordinary, if righteous, man - receiving a warning in a dream to take Mary and baby Jesus into exile in Egypt before King Herod has every infant boy
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I've been thinking along those Not-Evil lines, too, practically from the begining. I have a possible solution, but . . . well, among other things, it hasn't been written, yet. *facepalm*
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Agreed. Andy was a great example of that: he could have had absolutely anything he wanted but choose just to have what he needed.
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Why the visions seemed to stop as soon as the special children started tapping into their more powerful psychic abilities - Ava and her demon-control, Sam and his exorcisms.
I think the visions were a way of leading the special children on. I think the Azazel purposefully gave them to those children he felt were less prone to using their powers, or perhaps, the ones who hadn't started using them soon after they manifested.
Andy was using his mind-control, Jake was using his super-strength, all Lily needed to do was touch people so there was no way she couldn't use them. Max was quite the psychic boy when Sam and Dean met him. Webber had started using them when he showed, but it sounded ( ... )
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The visions bring a whole lot of questions - like why some of the special children (Sam, Ava, Webber, the kid Gordon ganked) had them, and some (Andy, Jake) didn't. Why Sam only ever saw people in trouble, as (apparently) did Ava, and the electrocuted-my-neighbor's-cat kid and Webber had dreams where the "Yellow-Eyed-Man" spoke to them directly.I don't think Sam and Ava's visions were the same as Webber and Scott's (the kid Gordon ganked) - Webber and Scott had dreams where the YED spoke directly to them, but neither Sam or Ava (as far as we know) ever saw him in any of their visions. Sam's dream at Cold Oaks where the YED spoke to him directly wasn't like his "normal" visions: it showed the past instead of the future and it wasn't as disjointed ( ... )
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Ava and Sam were having visions but weren't using their powers...he just carts her off to Cold Oaks (as far as we know) and forces her to use them, for survival.
That's a really interesting take on why some had them and some didn't. Makes sense.
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Oh, definitely. The angels (well, most of them) and even his family seem to believe Sam's future may very well be with demonic forces; I think it would be poetic if it turns out the powers that first sent everyone into a worried tailspin turned out to be from God.
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I might even condradict myself here because I can't make up my mind! But I think visions were never met to be anyones primary power, they were just a form of communication. I had proposed that perhaps they were a form of nacent demon telepathy. There's no evidence in the recent shows to prove this, but we know that angels and demons can comminicate via some sort of telepathy, so it exists.
I like the idea that it's more angelic and used to warn the person of immient danger. But that would mean Azazel deliberately sought out children with powers to corrupt rather than being the one who gave them the powers.
I also like the idea that Sam's powers aren't evil, but in beliving they are he has made them so. (like the line in HellHouse: "How many things are real because we believe in them?")
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The dreams Webber and Scott had were definitely communications, but they were so dissimilar to what Sam and Ava experienced (direct communication with the YED, who made promises that were both welcome and ominous vs. somewhat disjointed visions of danger that didn't have the YED in them at all) that I wonder if they came from the same source.
I like the idea that it's more angelic and used to warn the person of immient danger. But that would mean Azazel deliberately sought out children with powers to corrupt rather than being the one who gave them the powers.It's not necessarily true that people who get divine dreams of warning are gifted with powers (in the Bible, the story of the Nativity ends with Joseph - and ordinary, if righteous, man - receiving a warning in a dream to take Mary and baby Jesus into exile in Egypt before King Herod has every infant boy ( ... )
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I do hope you post your solution - I'd love to read it!
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(Spoilers up to 4x18) ::dances::
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