Scans: Trinity 6

[jij]

This week at least has Tarot contemplating the Trinity, thus making her immediately more interesting to me.  :)  But the thing that really caught my attention was the conversation between Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in the medlab.  Ignore for a moment the fact that Diana takes her top off to have her shoulder looked at--her shoulder that was

Comments

[ext_59120]

I'm not going to hope for too much of anything from DC - having walked away from them. The only thing tying me to DC is you.

So, if you were writing this story, I'd theorize that Diana has only seen what Bruce wants her to see, because Bruce is always and forever careful about how he forms his emotional ties

[jij]

I'd theorize that Diana has only seen what Bruce wants her to see, because Bruce is always and forever careful about how he forms his emotional ties.

And Kal-El, unconsciously has done the same. He's so open as Superman and Clark that Diana's left thinking she's seen everything there is to see and so she judges him on that.

I really like the idea that for such totally different reasons--opacity and utter transparency--Diana might manage to misjudge them both. Her summaries of them feel terribly off and simplistic to me, but I have to confess I'm not sure if that's the fangirl in me that wants moar appreciation for my characters, moar!

So I'd ponder a Trinity where Diana unknowingly represents both halves of them; apart but within, within but apart. Because she doesn't get as introspective, she feels her paths to selfhood are perfectly clear and less cloudy.I'm missing in these scans a panel where Diana responds to Clark's statement that she holds herself aloof--she looks shocked and says "Do I really?" Bruce says, "Yes, you do,"

[ext_59120]

The best thing about your writing is that you write about the characters as myth, psychological archetype and heroic character all at once. I suppose I should call it very Jungian. But the point is, it doesn't talk down to your readers

[jij]

I suppose I should call it very Jungian. But the point is, it doesn't talk down to your readers.

I love my Jung! I'm reading a book based on a feminist take on Jung this week and it really speaks to me.

And condescending fic drives me mad, so I'm particularly pleased by that compliment. :)

It's as if they've forgotten that while not every fan can quote chapter and verse (ahem, issue and panel #), the majority can spin you a detailed history of the character or the universe and that should be respected.

That's such a good way of putting it. DC seems to forget that the readers know this stuff. They know all the basics just fine and are really able to handle a deeper level of analysis. I mean, maybe they're not going to be doing a postmodern dissection of the themes, but they can feel them in a narrative sense. Comics fandom is so fascinating to me because the pro authors are all writing fanfic as well, much more clearly that in other fandoms--none of them made these characters, after all. And yet they don't take that and run

[arch_schatten]

Yes, Bruce, do tell us what you're thinking there

[arch_schatten]

Also! ASTRO CITY!!! HOW AWESOME??? What are you reading? who do you like? Samaritan breaks my heart!!! And my favorite Batman-like hero is The Confessor. Rarrr! Kick ass, Confessor!! ...and the dude who looks exactly like Captain Marvel but with a tux! he's also pretty cool, in that he wears a tux to fight crime X)

[jij]

I couldn't remember for sure if you'd read Astro City! *dances* I'm liking it so far! We've just finished the first TPB--the one with Samaritan on the cover--and have started the one with Jack in the Box on the cover. So we're not terribly far in! I have not actually seen the COnfessor yet, rar! I got the whole series because I was reading a book about superhero comics and they said "vampire Batman" and I was all "MUST HAVE NAO

[arch_schatten]

I read all the trades my brother had! I think I did read them all, but.. don't know

[smilebackwards]

I very much like Batman's "I'm sorry, Diana, I'm too busy caring for your wounds to agree with your judgment about my inability to form human relationships."

Lol. I love your commentary on this.

I also love how in the last scan, when Bruce just looks at Clark and Diana, he is pictured so much closer to Clark.

[jij]

I also love how in the last scan, when Bruce just looks at Clark and Diana, he is pictured so much closer to Clark.

He looks really gorgeous in those two shots too, doesn't he? And he looks rather mournful while looking at Clark, which makes me all wibbly, lol.

[anonymous]

On the other hand. I have been waiting for a decent... Wonderwoman goes evil comic for a long time. G-D- Diana. Perhaps its the smut writer in me talking however

[draqonelle]

This be Draq's Comment... forgot to sign in.

And is it just me or Is WW leering at Clark in the last panel... It's creeeeeeeeepy.

Bruce probably has more to say from a more scientifically grounded perspective on pyschology but won't say anything.
Probably lots of mean things about Freud and sublimation and bondage fantasies. But though Bruce isn't crazy he's not the most forthright individual ever, huggles.

[jij]

I hadn't really thought of her in the role of avatar of truth, however painful. You might have a point there.

On the other hand the cheesecake set up of Wonderwoman makes me somehow believe she is flirting with the boys while at the same time grandstanding and trying to pyschoanalyze them, which I could never imagine her doing. Ever.

She does seem oddly flirty and into mind games right now, which just seems off for any kind of comrade in the superhero community.

The PWP writer in me secretly hopes that Diana will go a little crazy, shake up that icily prefect and inhuman characterization she's had in the past.

Writing Diana has got to be terribly hard. All the weight of female characterization in comics tends to fall on her, and it tends to cripple any showing of emotional depth. You're right, it could be good for her to have some cracks in the veneer.

[draqonelle]

Hey have you seen what is going on in WW 22. Gorgeous stuff. And the possible foundation of the WOnderwoman Justice harem.

And it's not at all cheesy. It really harkens back to Conan the Barbarian and Frank Frazetta except in a less sexist way.

Tries not to get carried away with Justice Harem but is failing.
(Has seen AUs with "Slave Kal" and "Slave Bruce" but never "Slave Kal and Slave Bruce" in the same fic)

~Draq
*Tries not to write a quick WW tyrant PWP before she finishes her next fic*

[bradygirl_12]

This scene intrigued me so much I decided to do some writing with it and use my favorite Diana/Steve couple to round things out. The Trinity is still the main focus, but that panel in which Clark says Diana walks among humanity but keeps herself apart from it? It's one of the reasons I've always liked her old romance: with Steve, she seemed far better to connect to humanity, learning about our foibles and weaknesses and having compassion instead of contempt evoked because she's connected to actual people, Etta and General Darnell and her JLA colleagues in addition to her lover

[genclay]

woohoo! that sounds fun :)

[bradygirl_12]

Heh! Glad you're on board! ;)

[jij]

That's a good point about her walking among us but being so separate! Since you have the comic, you've seen the panel where she responds. Her sudden uncertainty was very touching to me.

Dianha does seem rather "out" here. Is that just the slash goggles making me think so? I wasn't sure--of course I want to see Clark and Bruce as very close, but they both really do seem united in being puzzled by Diana right now.

Glad to hear this issue got the bunnies hopping! Any canon that inspires fic makes me happy. :)