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Those damned Libras and their comments andrew_the_oga May 10 2008, 01:50:54 UTC
It's so hard to know whether to be encouraged by things like this ( ... )

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Re: Those damned Libras and their comments jillybean74 May 10 2008, 04:24:30 UTC
I have no problem with getting around in some type of non-human powered vehicles. I think it's essential if we're going to live in cities, where we are physically removed from most of the food sources (aside from what we might be able to grow on our patios or in our back yards). We tend to work away from where we live, so we need to travel. I don't see a return to subsistence farming any time soon. Sure, urban design can go a long way in minimizing the amount we have to drive, and we can make better choices about when/where we choose to go. The vehicles certainly have to become more efficient though, and if we're going to continue to use carbon sources to power them (whether we combust it or use the hydrogen in it to power a fuel cell), we are going to need to stop taking the carbon from the dead trees buried under the ground. Ideally, we could have a closed loop carbon cycle, if we got all the carbon from renewable sources... plants/algae. (In reality we all know that this will never happen until all the dead tree juice is sucked ( ... )

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buhrger May 10 2008, 05:44:10 UTC
Admittedly, I don't know what fast breeder plants are.
nuclear fission reactors

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tblumens May 14 2008, 09:46:41 UTC
Excellent!
BTW, we don't need to put ethanol into gasoline (as andrew_the_oga said). Ethanol can fuel cars very well on its own.
Imagine being able to use all the non-edible parts of edible plants to make fuel!
I believe that will happen, it's just a matter of time. Too many people trying for it not too happen!

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