Comments | joeboi4u: on butches becoming men

joeboi4u

on butches becoming men

Dec 05, 2006 22:35

I had an interesting conversation today which led to an interesting conclusion. I was with someone who could be considered to be femme. But needless to say, she's female born, woman identified...the conclusion I came to was that as transgender men who used to ID as butch lesbians transition, the femmes (and the entire community include bisexuals, ( Read more... )

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everybodys_fool December 6 2006, 16:06:12 UTC

I'm going to throw in my experience here, and i know you know most of it and i know you dont think all transmen identify as butch first. But heres how its been for me, i never have identified as butch in my life, even when i was saying i was a lesbian i still didnt, because i'm not. I came out as genderqueer because i feel that fits me well. I dont think i will ever identify as butch because well i just dont feel that way lol. I'm a transman but just because i'm a man doesnt mean i am butch by any means. You already know this i am sure of it.

And i agree, things do need to be talked about because A LOT of young female bodied people are transitioning and dont know the first thing about it, its just crazy to think about because its not sometime to be taken lightly.

joeboi4u December 6 2006, 16:38:18 UTC

I wonder what the same lesbians who criticize butches for transitioning would say to your situation? See to me, a vast majority of the stories I've hears (including yours) make perfect sense. But how do we get it to make sense to our "sisters" who would say otherwise? As for the young people, I'm not sure what the solution is. Talking about it more would help.

everybodys_fool December 6 2006, 20:50:05 UTC

Ya i'm not sure what we could really do to make our "sisters" understand. Except be honest and forward about not identifing as butch and that you cant assume someone identifies as butch just because of an image people have about whats butch and what not.

Yes i agree more talking to the young ones.

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joeboi4u December 15 2006, 01:35:05 UTC

sure let's be friends

kpscapes December 22 2006, 18:43:50 UTC

Hey Joe ( ... )

kori64 January 12 2007, 18:52:12 UTC

Hey Joe.. I'm over here too! I like this post, because even though I ID'd as a butch lesbian b4 I transitioned, I never felt like "one of them", if ya know what I mean. I was in the community (clubbing, Gay Pride, etc) but didn't feel PART of the community. SO I always stuck out like a sore thumb, and didn't have any butch friends. All of my friends were femmes ( ... )

joeboi4u January 12 2007, 22:32:04 UTC

I know what you mean Kori. For me personally, I never deny the fact that I'm trans or once was a woman. It is important to my life's history. But at the same time I am not a woman. I have a feminine side to my sprit as I believe most people have both masculine and feminine traits. AT the same time, I am a man with those traits. Does that make sense? Most butches I know don't have a problem with me until i say the last thing. That I am a man with feminine traits who once lived as a woman ( ... )