I imagine a Dean thinks that if Sam had been there, he would have recognized Brady as a demon and saved Jess. Which I don't believe, but I can see why Dean would.
Totally agree. Ever since we learned in that episode that Sam had been followed by the demons and Azazel all his life Jess never stood a chance. This also makes me wonder how soon John found out the truth about Sam, which might explain why he moved the boys around so much, and why he always wanted them under the radar and never introduced them to other hunters besides Jim and Bobby.
As far as Dean, you and the others are right, he will always blame himself even if he is nowhere near at fault. It would have happened one way or another.
Thanks. yea, it is something I have long thought about. Because it is so vague as to when exactly John knew about Sam, this theory could really fit in with the boys childhood. All we know is from 2.01 when John told Azazel that he has known about Sam for "a while" now. That could mean anywhere from days, weeks, months, years. I choose to think years because if you logically look at it, John being the obsessive man that he was would have had to question from the start why Azazel was in Sammy's nursery, and what he was doing there. That question had to have nagged at him until he found something out. And demons being what they are under torture, I can most assuredly believe that John tortured some information out of a demon about Azazel's plan. Regardless, he had to have felt that demons were after his boy(s) given what happened with Mary and where it happened, so that alone would make him want to keep under the radar and moving around to keep hidden. Look at all the clues he discovered as to how to track Azazel. This is a man that knew
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I don't think Dean can *not* feel guilt, no matter what. And i just cannot imagine how horrifying and devastating it was for Sam to learn his (their) whole lives had been invaded and manipulated by demons (and angels!).
I'm not all that much in tune with Sam, but I'd say that first finding out that their parents' marriage was "a match made in heaven" for the sole purpose of having two vessels for Lucifer and Michael, respectively, and then the whole Brady story, might well have been the last straw for him on his way to finally say yes to Lucifer...
Yes! And the Cupid said 'they hated each other' at first, so i imagine that that's why that memory we get in Heaven of Mary on the phone and Dean comforting her (and John having moved out for a couple of days) was the heaven-forced 'matchmaking' coming apart.
Which, if you think about it, is really kinda ikcy.
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As far as Dean, you and the others are right, he will always blame himself even if he is nowhere near at fault. It would have happened one way or another.
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I totally agree.
Sorry i'm not *more* long winded, but i just got off work and i'm toasted and tomorrow shall be *busy* so.....
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I'm not all that much in tune with Sam, but I'd say that first finding out that their parents' marriage was "a match made in heaven" for the sole purpose of having two vessels for Lucifer and Michael, respectively, and then the whole Brady story, might well have been the last straw for him on his way to finally say yes to Lucifer...
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Which, if you think about it, is really kinda ikcy.
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