(larp) The one, and only, thing that I'm unhappy with regarding Conclave

[keyboardninja]

The Assamite talks/votes is the one thing I'm unhappy with. People loaned 60+ standing to Paul Walker, and he was only a handful behind Restax. If Paul Walker had six personal standing, instead of one, he likely would have tied or passed him

Comments

[shadows_harem]

1. Pull in the Cam Coord to help with figuring out the IC reprocusions on the whole disrespecting 60+ status issue.

2. With that done, bring the issue up to Council as well as one of the points on the whole Assamite vote - would the "elders" (Inner circle) be kosher with the final decision, given that it was put to a yes/no point when options presented by another high status loan kindred were essentially ignored... by the Justicariate even.

The status of the various speakers wouldn't have even been announced if I hadn't jumped in as HST and confronted Chad W. on the issue. The players of the Harpies pulled me aside, frustrated that their attempts to have the status of the speakers be announced was being cock-blocked, and to them it felt like the Coords were being unresponsive to the whole upholding Cam genre thing.

It was one of the less glamorous parts of me HST'ing this past weekend :/

[anvilchorus]

1. Pull in the next Cam Coord to help with figuring out the IC reprocusions on the whole disrespecting 60+ status issue

Fixed.

[keyboardninja]

That delays things a month. I don't know if the Harpy of the Twin Cities, or the other Brujah players, will wait that long.

[anvilchorus]

This is one of those, as I can tell, totally IC situations of Brujah playing Brujah, and totally OOC situations of high level drama.

If status was disrespected, then then the harpy of the twin cities and the Brujah players are perfectly equipped to handle the situation.

[gwydapllew]

The downside of a Conclave is how frequently certain players/coords/what-have-you get into a mindset of 'this is how it is going to be' and nothing will change their minds. I had to fight that fight a few times when I ran the Columbus Conclave, to the point where we had a Coord/ST meeting every day for about 20 minutes before game started to make sure everyone was on the same page...and even that didn't work so well.

I think having people stripped of status for loaning status to someone who was so disrespectful would be AWESOME.

[shadows_harem]

One of the Coord hijacked control of Saturday's structure and ran things contrary to what was originally discussed, without chatting with me or the other Coords, and after I had sacrificed my afternoon making preparations based on the original discussions.

Yea, epic fail there.

So glad elections are coming up.

[joshwasta]

Sorry for lighting a fire under your main NPC's ass IC but I'm pissed in character having watched it.

If Chet was more of a Brujah, I would have expected stripped status.

;)

-Wasta

[keyboardninja]

No, it's cool. The Brujah have a right to be fired up.

[shadows_harem]

If he were more Brujah, he would've done it on-site.
I wouldn't be surprised if the stripping happened later, once he had time to think. Chester's a bit more methodical and calculationg and "ask, then shoot"

[keyboardninja]

I had a conversation with him IC, and he said he was going to wait until the Justicars and their retinue of dozens of Archons left the city before he pissed them off :)

[sithbob]

To me it seemed that the other Justicars were giving the Brujah so much trouble because Pascek did not show up.

[keyboardninja]

Originally it was going to be the three Justicars presiding, and since Pascek wasn't one of them, I decided to send an agent. Why would a Justicar show up to a Conclave and not be one of the presiding Judges? This whole "attending Justicar" thing is silly in my opinion, as it willfully makes your Justicar subservient to the presiding Justicars

[sidhedevil]

In my mind, it makes perfect sense to have as many Justicars there as possible. This wasn't a Conclave filled with minor gripes and bitchfests -- this was a Conclave to determine whether or not one Clan got their Justicar back and another was allowed entry into the Camarilla proper. That's HUGE. You bet your sweet bippy all the Justicars would roll out for that one!

As to Donny not being able to be there, I totally understand. I've been there, back when I played Meerlinda for the Tremere peeps. But as much as it'd be nice to have some consistency in the portrayal of a big NPC, sometimes they have to be played by other people in order to keep the momentum going. Heather Anderson (2eclipse, not autumnsfire :P) played Meerlinda when I couldn't make it out to MN for the Tremere Event a few years back. And she was good! The players had a blast, and now there are 2 chicks who are capable of portraying the NPC so we don't have to stress so much about being able to afford to make the events and such. In the end, there's nothing wrong with having someone

[keyboardninja]

Pascek didn't need to show personally for someone to deliver his message, and he would never willingly act subservient to Lucinde, especially after Origins. The presence of all of the Justicars was, in my opinion, completely unnecessary unless they were speaking personally.

Paul Walker isn't a PSM, he's just notorious. :) Besides, it added more snubbing to whole concept of Pascek not showing up himself to send a 1-1 status Brujah with 60+ loaned status to speak in his stead.

Am I upset that the other Justicars tore into Paul? No, I'm not upset about that at all. I will be upset if they try to avoid IC consequences for their actions, though.

[sidhedevil]

There seemed to have been a disconnect on what concessions had been made and how that might affect the vote. How might that've happened?

[keyboardninja]

I would say that certain Coords failed to talk to other Coords, because Dan K and I didn't know what was going on with the votes until 10:45pm the night of Conclave (when the votes were due in at 10:30, but we were in the back room trying to figure out what the heck was going on).

Also, there were certain Coords who refused to accept anything other than a yes or no ballot. I mentioned the Brujah position on the Coord list, at the Coord meeting at Origins, and at the Coord on the Friday of the Conclave event, and apparently some of the other Coords decided to just ignore it because they didn't like it. Terra straight up told me that she refused to accept it as an option.

[shadows_harem]

I also attempted to get the docket/options hashed out ahead of time as well (several times over the months prior to the event, as well as at the pre-game Coord meeting).

The end request that I got was for ballots that could ICly be traced back to individual PC's, and to leave the voting options blank.

If there's a way that Council can step in and has things out on fixing the genre/miscommunication clusterfuck, I'd be all for it. As it stands, the whole thing had the feel of a lot of strong personalities that used the time limitations and lack of talking to push their individual agendas thorugh, rather than try to work as a cohesive team.

[gwydapllew]

Heh. Don't get me started about how Terra acted at the Columbus Conclave.