Proposition 8 Trial: Who's Persecuting Who Here?

[krinndnz]

I've caught flickers of news from the ongoing Proposition 8 trial, and what I see makes me smirk. I'm cautiously optimistic about the trial as a whole. Part of this is because the anti-equality side is doing their usual pompous, stuck-up, snot-nosed American bullcrap that makes me want to go into full vulgarian mode. I won't - but I will mock

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[keirancoon]

Although it was regarding things much less important (George Lucas and Star Wars of the last decade), I told one of my friends pretty much exactly the same thing recently. Though I did mean it as my stance in general.

[krinndnz]

One of the nice things about Profound Wisdom (or ancient, semi-coherent wisdom) is that it's so widely applicable!

[kellyhusky]

Prop 8 was certainly NOT within the basic tenet of productive human interaction: be excellent to each other. I really hope that someday, somehow, that the supporters, backers, and proponents of Prop 8 are graced with the karma to understand just how hateful and unuseful their actions have been.

[krinndnz]

That's pretty much where I'm at - I really hope we can get away with being so graceful. Vengeance and oppression and hatred are as much a waste of our time as theirs. I have no interest in being the Thought Police: they can think whatever they like so long as they don't interfere with my/our lives.

I do not understand.

[tixen]

I want to follow this trial. I have subscribed to two live bloggers in the interest of keeping abreast of the whole thing... and I just can't do it. The rage it inspires is without action- my inability to respond accordingly leads to severe depression. I've found myself nearly crying at work over this. I've stopped reading about the trial to save my sanity. There are so many people in this world that are so cruel, and too wrapped up in their own selfish interests to realize their true impact on others.

I feel like a nameless suit is holding a gun to my head while tanks roll over my home. "Go on, Do something, faggot. I dare you." I do not like these emotions.

I do not wish to blame religion for Prop 8 and its defense, but I cannot fathom how this could be deemed acceptable human behavior by any other means.

[krinndnz]

Yeah, that's a pretty understandable reaction to this whole ugly mess. I'm happy that you can no longer be intimidated out of living your own dang life. I send hugs.

[prickvixen]

In his court filing, Tam's lawyers say the trial will bring him unwanted publicity and expose him to retribution from gay marriage supporters. Tam also says the case has been more time-consuming and more intrusive into his personal life than expected.

Standing behind my convictions is so tiresome! I should be allowed to oppress people from the shadows, at my own convenience!

furthermore

[prickvixen]

Once-hostile media images have been replaced by sympathetic portrayals in such productions as the movie "Brokeback Mountain" and the TV show "Will & Grace," Thompson said.

Ahhh, but I thought Rush and his pals told us Hollywood is run by a bunch of liberal activists whose view of the world is totally at odds which how it's seen by Real Americans? Surely, then, their little celluloid fantasies have no bearing upon how good patriotic citizens keep dirty queers in their place!

values

[krinndnz]

Yeah, there's one of the things that makes the whole damn thing even less respectable: a severe lack of internal consistency.

[krinndnz]

Taking risks for your convictions is for the little people.

[paka]

On the one hand, yes, publicizing anything about the sponsors will make them targets for harassment.

On the other hand, ya know, someone who fucks with peoples' marriages, fucks with peoples' equal status as human beings, sets nasty precedent for even more prejudice along the line, outright is willing to further lies about the public school system, draws widely on resources from outside the community in order to negatively impact the community, such a person should face community-wide consequence for your actions.

Taking a deeply personal stand on a public, controversial issue is, and should, always make one visible to criticism and the occasional bits of harassment. This is true for union members, for NAACP spokespeople, for ACLU presidents, and for Gay rights activists, it is only fair to expand that possible down side to public discourse to include fucking Christian bigots.

[fengi]

And in this case they weren't facing harassment at all. They are trying to define legal things such as boycotts and people merely knowing they're giving testimony in open court as harassment.

[krinndnz]

That too. Thin-skinned jerks.

[ribbin]

Forget targets for harassment- as a friend of mine just pointed out, the people who so loudly objected to the cameras were the ones who argued that gay couples cannot effectively raise children- for which there is no evidence. What's happening here is that they don't want to ruin their professional reputation by being nationally broadcast loudly crowing an opinion that's complete bollocks.