Why do people have to be such jerks? Excuse me, I mean ASSHOLES. Because that's truly what he is if he leaves that kind of voice mail for his 11-year-old child.
I almost don't want to watch 30 Rock now because Jack is one of the main reasons I enjoy the show. *sigh*
I know. I love him as Jack, but I will never look at him the same way again.
He needs serious anger management counseling. But I worry it goes even deeper than that. He really sounds like he's threatening her with physical violence.
While I've heard vague rumors for years, it's really not the same as actually knowing exactly what he's said. I'm so disgusted right now.
And I love ("love" meaning hate) the part where he says she wouldn't do that to her mother. Ever think that has something to do with you, Alec? Ever consider that if you didn't treat your daughter like crap she might actually want to talk to you? Just... GAH!
I am not defending Alec Baldwin's behaviour... okay well maybe it will sound that way but really I am just playing devil's advocate.
This custody thing with the daughter has been going on forever and Kim Bassinger is a freakin' nut job. She has done just as much harm to the kid with her weird phobias and stuff. And other court documents have stated that she does her best to turn Ireland against her father and, in some cases, makes it impossible for the child to meet her scheduled phone calls (they ARE scheduled by the courts) and visitations. Case in point - I doubt that Ireland is thrilled with this being out there for all her friends and the general public to hear.
That said, it's his daughter. He needs to hold his temper at all costs. End of story. And calling her a fat pig is beyond anything even the most angered dad should ever do.
The bottom line for me is it's sad when two parents are so messed up that they bring a child down with them. They are both nightmares and maybe neither deserves custody.
I know Kim Basinger is a nut job, and that she probably does try to interfere with his attempts to talk to his daughter. But if he knows that, I think he should express his anger and disappointment to his daughter ("I'm really disappointed that you have missed yet another call," etc.), but save the RAGE part for his ex-wife. That just seemed to me to go above and beyond the pale.
And the hints at how he's going to "straighten her out" when he sees her were especially threatening and disturbing, I thought. It doesn't sound like he's going to have a rational conversation with her about learning to be considerate of others.
This poor girl is going to need a lot of therapy. I imagine a "Mommy Dearest" type tell-all book in her future.
Taking out his anger on his daughter is completely fucked up.
The statements released by his publicist piss me off even more. They're saying he "apologized" to Ireland after this incident. And the next statement was basically, "he's been through the ringer in this divorce--we all know what he's been through for the past six years."
Um, what the CHILD has been through. The parents are adults. They shouldn't be filtering their shit to their kid!
Also--it's the 21st freaking century--CELL PHONES, PEOPLE. What is this shit about him killing himself to get to a phone so he can call at the appointed hour??? WTF?
I'm so sick about this. It's emotional abuse and I'm sure it's coming from both parents.
Also--it's the 21st freaking century--CELL PHONES, PEOPLE. What is this shit about him killing himself to get to a phone so he can call at the appointed hour??? WTF?
That's what I thought. What the hell is he talking about, "busting his ass to get to a phone"?? They don't have phones on the set of 30 Rock, Alec? You don't carry a cell phone with you everywhere you go? Please.
I can't say that I really blame herWow, I completely disagree. I think if she leaked this, it is by far worse than anything Alec said in that voicemail
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I think if she leaked this, it is by far worse than anything Alec said in that voicemail.
You think releasing the voicemail is worse than emotionally abusing your child??
You're lucky that you didn't grow up with an abusive parent. Speaking as someone who did, that voicemail does NOT sound like "one slip up" from a normally caring parent.
I do think Kim Basinger is a nut job, but his anger/frustration at his ex-wife doesn't justify him treating his daughter like that in any way, shape or form.
You think releasing the voicemail is worse than emotionally abusing your child??Come on, you know that's not even remotely what I said. It isn't fair to twist my argument into some completely ridiculous framing of the argument just to make me look silly
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I don't excuse anything Kim Basinger has done, but the tone and nature of his comments on that voicemail sound like serious emotional abuse (or worse), not one isolated outburst from a caring parent. He was absolutely contemptuous towards his daughter, not just angry.
And not even knowing her age doesn't help his case either. And the fact that he made it all about HIM and how inconvenienced he was. By having to make a phone call. Wow, what a huge burden that must have been.
I feel so sorry for Ireland, who obviously is the real victim in this war between her parents.
Man, that sucks. I can tell he's hurt and angry and totally frustrated from that voicemail, but it just sucks he has to take it out on a child, because I always think if a child that young is behaving badly, it's probably because her parents screwed her up somehow.
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I almost don't want to watch 30 Rock now because Jack is one of the main reasons I enjoy the show. *sigh*
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He needs serious anger management counseling. But I worry it goes even deeper than that. He really sounds like he's threatening her with physical violence.
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And I love ("love" meaning hate) the part where he says she wouldn't do that to her mother. Ever think that has something to do with you, Alec? Ever consider that if you didn't treat your daughter like crap she might actually want to talk to you? Just... GAH!
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This custody thing with the daughter has been going on forever and Kim Bassinger is a freakin' nut job. She has done just as much harm to the kid with her weird phobias and stuff. And other court documents have stated that she does her best to turn Ireland against her father and, in some cases, makes it impossible for the child to meet her scheduled phone calls (they ARE scheduled by the courts) and visitations. Case in point - I doubt that Ireland is thrilled with this being out there for all her friends and the general public to hear.
That said, it's his daughter. He needs to hold his temper at all costs. End of story. And calling her a fat pig is beyond anything even the most angered dad should ever do.
The bottom line for me is it's sad when two parents are so messed up that they bring a child down with them. They are both nightmares and maybe neither deserves custody.
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I know Kim Basinger is a nut job, and that she probably does try to interfere with his attempts to talk to his daughter. But if he knows that, I think he should express his anger and disappointment to his daughter ("I'm really disappointed that you have missed yet another call," etc.), but save the RAGE part for his ex-wife. That just seemed to me to go above and beyond the pale.
And the hints at how he's going to "straighten her out" when he sees her were especially threatening and disturbing, I thought. It doesn't sound like he's going to have a rational conversation with her about learning to be considerate of others.
This poor girl is going to need a lot of therapy. I imagine a "Mommy Dearest" type tell-all book in her future.
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The statements released by his publicist piss me off even more. They're saying he "apologized" to Ireland after this incident. And the next statement was basically, "he's been through the ringer in this divorce--we all know what he's been through for the past six years."
Um, what the CHILD has been through. The parents are adults. They shouldn't be filtering their shit to their kid!
Also--it's the 21st freaking century--CELL PHONES, PEOPLE. What is this shit about him killing himself to get to a phone so he can call at the appointed hour??? WTF?
I'm so sick about this. It's emotional abuse and I'm sure it's coming from both parents.
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That's what I thought. What the hell is he talking about, "busting his ass to get to a phone"?? They don't have phones on the set of 30 Rock, Alec? You don't carry a cell phone with you everywhere you go? Please.
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You think releasing the voicemail is worse than emotionally abusing your child??
You're lucky that you didn't grow up with an abusive parent. Speaking as someone who did, that voicemail does NOT sound like "one slip up" from a normally caring parent.
I do think Kim Basinger is a nut job, but his anger/frustration at his ex-wife doesn't justify him treating his daughter like that in any way, shape or form.
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I don't excuse anything Kim Basinger has done, but the tone and nature of his comments on that voicemail sound like serious emotional abuse (or worse), not one isolated outburst from a caring parent. He was absolutely contemptuous towards his daughter, not just angry.
And not even knowing her age doesn't help his case either. And the fact that he made it all about HIM and how inconvenienced he was. By having to make a phone call. Wow, what a huge burden that must have been.
I feel so sorry for Ireland, who obviously is the real victim in this war between her parents.
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And I so like him on 30 Rock, too. Meh.
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