[In light of
certain questionable polls she was made privy to, Nami feels that a balance needs to be righted. Honestly? She doesn't much care about the answers. She just wants to have fun. |D]
[Filtered to the ladies of Luceti 8|]
So, ladies. I have a burning question, which I am asking for no reason at all. [Uh huh.]What's your vote for
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... "Gay vibe"?
Exactly what is a "gay vibe"? [This is said with a disbelieving tone, because Robert's ego still stings from having his heterosexism rant on the other thread ignored and this sounds pretty damn heterosexist.]
And where exactly do you get it from? [Gaydar is not a concept that Robert is familiar with. Even if he's gay himself.]
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Val and Nel notwithstanding, because they're chicks and awesome. Patchy too. So it goes for both sides; I'm just wondering if any other girls suspect a lot of the guys are all bravado and not much substance to the words in this area.
[Belive whatever you want man, she doesn't care, just finds it amusing.]
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Val... By any chance would that be Valvalis, Lady of the Wind? I spoke to her here as well. The other two I am not yet familiar with.
[The concept of bravado doesn't sit too well with Robert, if only because he can't usually tell it apart from actual strength.] What use would there be lying about one's affections in such a manner? Surely there is no obvious benefit from it.
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Yup! Valvalis! Neliel is her ah girlfriend? Wife? Something close. And Patchy is Patchouli.
Because men are stupid. [Says that bluntly even after being told Robert is a man.] They're amazing about going into denial. [Least valid person EVER to criticize someone else on denial.] And they probably think they have to pretend not to find each other sexy so that they can keep their manly "bro" relationships close without complicating it. Maybe. If Jigen and Goemon are gay, then I'd definitely say that's true. And if they're not at all, then they're just sexist idiots beyond help. Either way!
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Hopefully I will have the good fortune of meeting Ms. Neliel and Ms. Patchouli at some point for myself.
[Have a sliiiight snort here.] Certainly some men - and some people in general - can be, but I would never do anything of the sort. [Only because Robert can't hide anything ever. Instead he'll just be evasive as all hell and hide behind pretentious diction.
The next part confuses him, if only because that social dynamic is significantly less common on Terra.] That seems to be irrational. Terran men would hardly deny the attractiveness of a fellow person, regardless of that person's gender. And simply because a person is attractive does not mean one wishes to pursue a relationship.
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Patchouli's really sweet! I haven't met Nel, just heard about her from Valvalis.
Mah~ It's not like men in my world -- and I think here -- only do that about each other. They do it about women too. Playing hard to get, or just in denial, or just not wanting to make things even more complicated, you know? Lots of games or something. [And again, last person who should be talking about it.]
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It would seem to me that all of that simply serves as an artificial impediment towards the actual goal of establishing a relationship. It is difficult enough to do so already - why make it any more so?
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Precisely because it's difficult? People throw obstacles in the way of what they want all the time. Either because they tell themselves they don't want it, or they're afraid of having it or, fuck I don't know. A million reasons? Ask a psychologist.
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Robert... understands this reasoning. In fact, it's hitting somewhat painfully close to home, if only because he does this exact same thing and is in fact doing this exact same thing at that very moment. He's quiet for a few seconds.]
... That does seem to make some sense. It is still illogical, but humans are often illogical. [Including, he realizes with some trepidation, himself.]
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I guess so. If we weren't at least a little illogical, we'd be machines, hm? Besides, there's a million reasons, you can't just eliminate everyone's personal reasons just because they don't make sense to everyone else. It just doesn't work that way.
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Sometimes I wonder if it might be better to be a machine, though. Emotions can sometimes deter reasoning.
But I suppose you are correct. [Even if Robert wants to think that his reasons are the most valid ones.]
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[Heh Poor cisgender Robert. It's hard to get a decent argument out of Fujiko unless it's a REALLY childish squirtgun "gimme back my teddy bear!" level]
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Hmm... in a way that seems to evoke images of biological cycles, where growth cannot exist without decay, and vice-versa.
Still, there is something of an appeal in the concept of a steady state. [Especially for somebody who doesn't enjoy change.]
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[This is from someone who can't sit still in one city for more than six months without panicking out and running away to far-off parts of the world.]
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I should think it'd be very difficult; seeing as few if any civilizations have discovered it yet, hm?
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