Am I wrong, or did it look like Adama is going to be killed in the next ep? I'm pretty sure he survived the grenade, but why else would Roslin be all attacky? Either he's dead, or she thinks he's dead
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It does look like he's going to be killed, but I don't believe it. I could tell you more about the promo, but maybe you don't want to know. It's kind of spoilery. But if you're curious, listen again to what Zarek is saying over the wireless in the promo. It'll explain why Roslin goes all "Exorcist" on them.
It's weird. I must have phrased something wrong in my post. You're one of three people who seem to think I was saying that Roslin is a fraud. I don't think so. That's what I was trying to say in my post, that the show is saying that, but I disagree. I don't think her or Baltar were frauds. I think they did at many points genuinely believe in some kind of unseen power, some kind of God.
Oof. I would have a problem too if they extinguish the Cylons and all the humans are dead. That would really be dark.
I thought that was what you might have been saying about Roslin and Baltar, but I wasn't sure, so I tried to phrase my thoughts to reflect what I think. I still don't trust Baltar further than I could throw him, which isn't far.
I was really happy, as I said, to see Roslin pulling herself up by her bootstraps and getting herself going. I knew from that opening scene with her and Adama, where she kept trying not to care or get involved, but she had to in spite of herself. I was very gratified to see that she'd come through that little journey into hell with a lot more strength.
On the subject of Starbuck, by the way, I feel the same as you, she's really just gone to pieces, although it was good to see the Apollo and Starbuck show or at least a facsimile of it back in play. I don't think anyone is on their best game right now, but she's really losing it.
I'll wait for the next ep to see what happens, but I'm hoping you're right about Adama.
I'm pretty sure the "grenade" was actually either a flash-bang or tear gas. Not because I'm spoiled, but because of sheer logic. Only a very stupid Marine would start throwing around live grenades when they're at the part of a spaceship that's very close to the hull. You know, those layers of metal which are the only thing protecting all the spaceship's inhabitants from the vacuum of space. If you're near an airlock, you're way too near the outside for throwing around explosives.
I don't know-- I don't think either Roslin or Baltar were frauds. Baltar is more debatable, but watching the end of Escape Velocity convinces me that he definitely believed for at least that whole speech. I think they meant frauds more in retrospect, if that makes any sense-- something like "Wow, look at what our beliefs got us! Earth sucks! I can't believe we ever thought we were special!" I think they're going through a very similar crisis of faith. This is why I'm bummed that Head-Six is never around anymore-- I'd like to know her stance.
I kind of love what you said about Gaeta killing off parts of himself-- that makes perfect sense.
Thanks for the comment! It's weird, you were not the only one who seemed to think that I was saying that Baltar and Roslin were frauds. I don't think they were. I think they believed in what they were preaching, Baltar for Season 4 and Roslin for almost the whole series.
I must have phrased something wrong. :)
I agree with you about Escape Velocity. He really believed it then. I kind of even think he believed it in "Six of One" when he was talking to Tory during their sex. He seemed really puzzled by it, but he did believe God had selected him for something.
As for Head!Six, I noticed this recently on Bear McCreary's blog. It was intriguing that she had been there, but they decided to take her out.
Oh! I thought you were worried that the writers retconned Baltar and Roslin into frauds the whole time. I was saying that I don't think that's what they intended, if that makes any sense-- I think the writers were just showing them having a (casual and snarky) crisis of faith. But maybe I'm still misinterpreting you XD; What had you meant to say?
I also heard that they got rid of that Head-Six scene. :( I'm pretty sure they keep using it in the clips in the TEXT BSG!! advertisements too, which makes me so sad.
Great review! BSG is more painful and fascinating than ever.
I do think Adama has always been comprimised by his heart and his emotional attachments. Where should he draw the line with the revelations about Kara and Tigh in S4? Really, would the Final Four be treated differently if one of them wasn't Saul Tigh? Athena was kept in the Brig for two years before she was deemed trustworthy. But the Four are being accepted without question, even though Anders shot a human and Tory murdered a human. Those things are being glossed over and uninvestigated, just like the Raptor murders were uninvestigated. I'm not actually against the cylon/human alliance, but the lack of questioning or explaination? Yup, that gets me tetchy.
He does show some signs of self-awareness; for example, he responds to Zarek's congratulations and adulations by saying, We can fine-tune our rationalizations later. I was kind of grateful for that line, because it showed that at least Gaeta isn't as deluded as Zarek and isn't taking much pleasure in this revolution.
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I'm so terrified of next weeks episode. Even though AJ has said his character is still alive at ep18, I feel like he's going to be killed in the next episode. I'm not even going to speculate about the promo because it scares the bejesus out of me. But I'm gonna take a guess that Hotdog kills Narcho for threatening the Raptor. Maybe be Gaeta will have an emotional shake up over Narchos death (hence why they wanted Narcho for the webisode boyfriend) It'll be the first time that Gaeta as commander will have lost one of his own men and that should give him pause. There's also the Gaeta/Baltar scene coming at some point. Since Baltar has gone to the Basestar and that scene was set on the Galactica it must take place after Gaeta has been brought down. Considering Gaeta is talking about his past to Baltar that scene does have an eerie quality of a last confession before an execution. The only reason I can think that Adama might spare Gaeta is this issue of limited resources. Gaeta may have been the ringleader, but as a brillant tactition and
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I'm so terrified of next weeks episode. Even though AJ has said his character is still alive at ep18, I feel like he's going to be killed in the next episode.Really? You think he lied? Aw, that would suck, because I've been counting on that and not worrying yet about these next few episodes. But seriously, who's going to do the jumps and the plotting if Gaeta's dead? Gods, can you imagine if they put a Cylon in his place? Like that could be what the offhand remark by Pilot!Eight in the webisodes was about? The one where she said she could spot star systems by eye? Ugh. How symbolically ugly would that be. (I really shouldn't have just gone there, because now I'm picturing it. I don't know why I do these things to myself sometimes
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I don't know. It didn't sound like AJ was lying at all when he says he makes it into the last four eps. I'm just bracing myself for it because he is in such a dangerous position. From the trailer for the next ep I'm guessing Zarek is going to demand Adamas execution and I'm hoping Gaeta won't go through with it (I think the firing squad scene is a dream). If Gaeta can't kill Adama maybe Adama won't be able to kill him either. I don't know though. The Adama/Gaeta scene really hurt me with its viciousness
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Oh wow. Ditto to all of this about Gaeta. I've been thinking about him pretty much non-stop since I saw this episode yesterday morning.
I don't need them to be believers in God anymore if they don't want to be, but I'm a little annoyed at the retcon going on here that no, actually, they were both opportunists cynically playing the religious card. That takes back a whole season for Baltar and almost the whole series for Roslin.
I'll have to watch that conversation again, but I saw it as being much more of a retaliatory kind of thing--she was rude to him, so he's rude to her, so she's rude to him... Although apparently Baltar's own evolution (in the absence of head!Six and with the wasteland of Earth) is to slide into disbelief and complete self-interest.
Incidentally, I understand that Baltar gets to go to the basestar because it was his and Chiefy's Raptor to begin with, but really, what is Baltar going to accomplish with his dangling plot arcs on the basestar? Who is there for him to talk to there? Leoben? Random Eights? I don'
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Yes. On first watch it was enjoyable, but the second time it just... worried me. As you pointed out, even before gleefully engaged in mutiny-quashing, she was 'off' while in the bunkroom with Hotdog. (And most of my Kara-loving friends are excited that 'it's really her' whereas I'm sitting around thinking "Something's Wrong with her!") I enjoyed it both viewings but I think I must be firmly in denial. I just refuse to worry about my boy until I have to. He's not worried and I'm taking my cue from him. Maybe not a good idea!
Kara was 'off'. It didn't bother me because she's been 'off' for two years now. Last week everyone was like, yay, Starbuck is back! She's not the original Starbuck or Kara. I don't know what she is but I love the heck out of her whatever she is. She Kara enough for me. And really, the other Kara is dead, this on is all we've got left. And they need her.
But her sitting there reading a book while Hotdog packed baby toys? That's all weird. I'm kinda glad there was a mutiny.
I can't stop thinking about poor Felix. I think I'm going to have to vid him to get this out of my system, and I haven't made a vid for almost two years
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Given that Baltar's cult is kinda dippy, I assumed that the cult centre was one of the few places on Galactica a post-Revelations Tyrol was still welcome. Or at least not made explicitly unwelcome, if you follow my meaning.
something that i found really interesting was the fact that in the beginning of the series, every one of the final five was paired off with either another cylon, or something "strange"
tyrol with boomer, tigh with ellen...the debatable ones are (i forgot their names) the football star and the president's aide, both hooked up with kara and baltar, who obviously have SOME connection with the cylons or earth.
am i reading too much into it here?
i also agree that both sides are right and both are wrong. felix is acting more "in character" than last episode, i feel...his reactions aren't as sped up and his progression feels more natural. i think they had to collapse two episodes into one on his storyline.
i LOVED apollo and starbuck back in action. and i loved seeing adama startingt o realize that everything is indeed falling to hell.
I don't think you are reading too much into it. I think I read an interview with Ron Moore once where he talked about the motivations for picking the Final Five and he'd said that they'd picked Anders because of his connection to Kara, who was an unknown quantity. They picked others because of either their proximity to people in power (Tigh w/Adama, Tory w/Roslin), their involvement with the Resistance on New Caprica (Tigh, Tory, Anders, Tyrol) and they liked that Tyrol had a connection to Boomer, a Cylon
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honestly it seemed like starbuck was happy about being _useful_ again, and not just shooting people. shes a warrior, and there hasn't been an actual war in a very long time. shes comfortable in a fight...she knows the rules, shes good at the game, and she can finally blow off some steam.
Gaeta was the man. seriously he was amazing and i dont' care what anyone says. he was fucking awesome. he played everyone perfectly, like you said, and he did it well. he would make a great XO i think... he knows what to do, and how to do it. he is a great "guy behind the guy." hes not good at giving the speeches, but he knows what to do in a situation.
adama will learn stuff after everything is done and he gets drunk in his toilet.
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It's weird. I must have phrased something wrong in my post. You're one of three people who seem to think I was saying that Roslin is a fraud. I don't think so. That's what I was trying to say in my post, that the show is saying that, but I disagree. I don't think her or Baltar were frauds. I think they did at many points genuinely believe in some kind of unseen power, some kind of God.
Oof. I would have a problem too if they extinguish the Cylons and all the humans are dead. That would really be dark.
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I was really happy, as I said, to see Roslin pulling herself up by her bootstraps and getting herself going. I knew from that opening scene with her and Adama, where she kept trying not to care or get involved, but she had to in spite of herself. I was very gratified to see that she'd come through that little journey into hell with a lot more strength.
On the subject of Starbuck, by the way, I feel the same as you, she's really just gone to pieces, although it was good to see the Apollo and Starbuck show or at least a facsimile of it back in play. I don't think anyone is on their best game right now, but she's really losing it.
I'll wait for the next ep to see what happens, but I'm hoping you're right about Adama.
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I kind of love what you said about Gaeta killing off parts of himself-- that makes perfect sense.
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I must have phrased something wrong. :)
I agree with you about Escape Velocity. He really believed it then. I kind of even think he believed it in "Six of One" when he was talking to Tory during their sex. He seemed really puzzled by it, but he did believe God had selected him for something.
As for Head!Six, I noticed this recently on Bear McCreary's blog. It was intriguing that she had been there, but they decided to take her out.
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I also heard that they got rid of that Head-Six scene. :( I'm pretty sure they keep using it in the clips in the TEXT BSG!! advertisements too, which makes me so sad.
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I do think Adama has always been comprimised by his heart and his emotional attachments. Where should he draw the line with the revelations about Kara and Tigh in S4? Really, would the Final Four be treated differently if one of them wasn't Saul Tigh? Athena was kept in the Brig for two years before she was deemed trustworthy. But the Four are being accepted without question, even though Anders shot a human and Tory murdered a human. Those things are being glossed over and uninvestigated, just like the Raptor murders were uninvestigated. I'm not actually against the cylon/human alliance, but the lack of questioning or explaination? Yup, that gets me tetchy.
He does show some signs of self-awareness; for example, he responds to Zarek's congratulations and adulations by saying, We can fine-tune our rationalizations later. I was kind of grateful for that line, because it showed that at least Gaeta isn't as deluded as Zarek and isn't taking much pleasure in this revolution. ( ... )
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I don't need them to be believers in God anymore if they don't want to be, but I'm a little annoyed at the retcon going on here that no, actually, they were both opportunists cynically playing the religious card. That takes back a whole season for Baltar and almost the whole series for Roslin.
I'll have to watch that conversation again, but I saw it as being much more of a retaliatory kind of thing--she was rude to him, so he's rude to her, so she's rude to him... Although apparently Baltar's own evolution (in the absence of head!Six and with the wasteland of Earth) is to slide into disbelief and complete self-interest.
Incidentally, I understand that Baltar gets to go to the basestar because it was his and Chiefy's Raptor to begin with, but really, what is Baltar going to accomplish with his dangling plot arcs on the basestar? Who is there for him to talk to there? Leoben? Random Eights? I don' ( ... )
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I enjoyed it both viewings but I think I must be firmly in denial. I just refuse to worry about my boy until I have to. He's not worried and I'm taking my cue from him. Maybe not a good idea!
Kara was 'off'. It didn't bother me because she's been 'off' for two years now. Last week everyone was like, yay, Starbuck is back! She's not the original Starbuck or Kara. I don't know what she is but I love the heck out of her whatever she is. She Kara enough for me. And really, the other Kara is dead, this on is all we've got left. And they need her.
But her sitting there reading a book while Hotdog packed baby toys? That's all weird. I'm kinda glad there was a mutiny.
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tyrol with boomer, tigh with ellen...the debatable ones are (i forgot their names) the football star and the president's aide, both hooked up with kara and baltar, who obviously have SOME connection with the cylons or earth.
am i reading too much into it here?
i also agree that both sides are right and both are wrong. felix is acting more "in character" than last episode, i feel...his reactions aren't as sped up and his progression feels more natural. i think they had to collapse two episodes into one on his storyline.
i LOVED apollo and starbuck back in action. and i loved seeing adama startingt o realize that everything is indeed falling to hell.
next episode should be interesting :-)
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Gaeta was the man. seriously he was amazing and i dont' care what anyone says. he was fucking awesome. he played everyone perfectly, like you said, and he did it well. he would make a great XO i think... he knows what to do, and how to do it. he is a great "guy behind the guy." hes not good at giving the speeches, but he knows what to do in a situation.
adama will learn stuff after everything is done and he gets drunk in his toilet.
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HAHAHA! Yes, and brushes his teeth and shaves aggressively. Only then can true learning occur. :D
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