In the comments to the "would slashers support het couples"-post I often read that het-couples were not as interesting, because their relationship was often canon
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I've discussed this myself, did a poll on it over a year ago now, and I discovered (not to my surprise) that I'm in the minority.
I would adore it if my couples became canon. It wouldn't detract from my enjoyment, quite the opposite. I'd love my couples even more (if that were possible).
I think that part of this might be to do with my overwhelming love of established relationship stories, which I write far, far, far more often than first time ones. So to give me my couples would be perfection itself (in fact, if you see the fannish5 meme I did a little while ago, you'll see that my top 'want' is that Gibbs and Ducky become a canon couple :-)
So yes, my increase would increase. However, I know that when I asked the question a high proportion of my f-list and beyond said that they'd actually lose interest if their couple(s) became canon.
Yeah, I saw your wishlist and it was kinda like the trigger for this post. The question was poking me for weeks, but when I saw your wishlist it made the leap from half-conscious brooding to full-conscious "wh not post it?"
I can see that it wouldn't be as much of problem for established relationships writers - but wouldn't it bother you to suddenly see that they might behave differently in a relationship than you thought? I mean the writers could decide that they'd be completely secretive about - or completely open. That they loved PDA's - or didn't do them at all. That they used pet names - or not. I so don't know anything at all about Gibbs/Ducky, I guess they have a specific way of dealing with each other that wouldn't changed in a relationship, but lets just say the writers interpreted their RS just a little different from the way you did it all the time - would it bother you? Would you go with it? Would you just keep on going as you've always done?
PDA means "Public Display of Affection". Sorry, I thought the abbrevation were common in the anglophone world after I had wondered about it a few times myself and finally looked it up.
I wish I knew more about Gibbs/Ducky, but from what you are writing it really sounds like there wouldn't be too many problems. If they already have some kind of "like lovers, but without sex" relationship, the sex-thing shouldn't change too much.
It's just that when I think about what horrible things TPTB could have done to Fraser and either Ray (like Ray calling Fraser "baby" *runs away screaming*) I get very, very scared and would rather have everything the way it is. Okay, if TPTB are called Paul Gross I'd be a little more confident, but still - the risk is there ;)
But it doesn't seem to hurt the Queer As Folk writers. They just write about stuff in between what you actually see. OK, the first times may not get so much action, but you still don't see all the day to day stuff in between eps, so I guess they just make do.
I don't read it myself...for reasons you stated above. I just watch it. :)
Thinking about it... I watch QaF, too - but I have no interest in writing fic. The only thing I would possibly write would be - tadaaa - Brian/Micheal. Because there's this incredibly UST and THEY'VE NEVER DONE IT!!! That so proves my point, doesn't it? Okay, so it only proves that everything I wrote applies to me. Humpf.
Queer as is just my happy-TV. I get out my DVD's, swoon a little just how sexy Gale Harold is (yes, I'm watching the American version, so shoot me) and drool over the sex and get a little concerned when something bad happens... but I don't feel any need to write sex (because the sex is there) and somehow the show doesn't get me enough to write about anything else *shrugs*
Yep - I totally agree with this. Back in the day, I was a big fan of the Paris/Torres UST in Startrek voyager. I loved the sparks that flew onscreen every week. The moment they got together - I totally lost interest. It's definately the will they/wont they thing that keeps interest going and the fact that it's not resolved onscreen lets us come up with hundreds of our own scenarios.
Yeah, that's kinda what I thought about it... I guess sitting in front of the screen you're all like "come on, kiss, do it! whaa!" - and if they do it you go awwww... but then?
I wonder if it's different for television/book series (episodic) and movies/single books (single span of canon)? Because Duck/Dan in Wilby Wonderful is a canon gay couple that is interesting indeed! But perhaps the reason it's interesting is that the movie ends with their relationship beginning, and therefore the details are up to the fans to imagine (and write :-)
That you mention movies is interesting. That might be not what you meant, but I'm thinking back to all those mainstream movies with het-couples in it (might be a love-comedy, or an action/adventure-movie in which the hero gets the girl in the end
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I don't know about in fandoms, but just for regular viewers, yeah, traditionally, once a UST couple Ss their T, it loses interest value. Farscape has a popular canon het couple that started from UST, but they dragged it out an amazingly long time through various outside interferences and development of emotional intimacy and such. Still, I love them, but have no interest in reading fic about them. The show supplies it all
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Would established relationship/revisiting of earlier scenes replace first time/early relationship fic? Or would there rather less fic be written? Or would people start thinking about other pairings a lot more? Who knows, maybe you'd become a fan of established RS if you had a canon couple... Or we had a predominant Fraser/Stella fandom...
I'd trade an awful lot of fic-reading for the chance to watch Fraser and RayK in a heavy liplock.
God, can you imagine the struggle going on in my brain? "It would mean a lot less of first time fic" - "But they'd be snogging!" - "A lot of UST would be gone." - "But they'd be SNOGGING!"
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I've discussed this myself, did a poll on it over a year ago now, and I discovered (not to my surprise) that I'm in the minority.
I would adore it if my couples became canon. It wouldn't detract from my enjoyment, quite the opposite. I'd love my couples even more (if that were possible).
I think that part of this might be to do with my overwhelming love of established relationship stories, which I write far, far, far more often than first time ones. So to give me my couples would be perfection itself (in fact, if you see the fannish5 meme I did a little while ago, you'll see that my top 'want' is that Gibbs and Ducky become a canon couple :-)
So yes, my increase would increase. However, I know that when I asked the question a high proportion of my f-list and beyond said that they'd actually lose interest if their couple(s) became canon.
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I can see that it wouldn't be as much of problem for established relationships writers - but wouldn't it bother you to suddenly see that they might behave differently in a relationship than you thought? I mean the writers could decide that they'd be completely secretive about - or completely open. That they loved PDA's - or didn't do them at all. That they used pet names - or not. I so don't know anything at all about Gibbs/Ducky, I guess they have a specific way of dealing with each other that wouldn't changed in a relationship, but lets just say the writers interpreted their RS just a little different from the way you did it all the time - would it bother you? Would you go with it? Would you just keep on going as you've always done?
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I wish I knew more about Gibbs/Ducky, but from what you are writing it really sounds like there wouldn't be too many problems. If they already have some kind of "like lovers, but without sex" relationship, the sex-thing shouldn't change too much.
It's just that when I think about what horrible things TPTB could have done to Fraser and either Ray (like Ray calling Fraser "baby" *runs away screaming*) I get very, very scared and would rather have everything the way it is. Okay, if TPTB are called Paul Gross I'd be a little more confident, but still - the risk is there ;)
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But it doesn't seem to hurt the Queer As Folk writers. They just write about stuff in between what you actually see. OK, the first times may not get so much action, but you still don't see all the day to day stuff in between eps, so I guess they just make do.
I don't read it myself...for reasons you stated above. I just watch it. :)
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Queer as is just my happy-TV. I get out my DVD's, swoon a little just how sexy Gale Harold is (yes, I'm watching the American version, so shoot me) and drool over the sex and get a little concerned when something bad happens... but I don't feel any need to write sex (because the sex is there) and somehow the show doesn't get me enough to write about anything else *shrugs*
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*Am now having a debate with my daughter over the Brian/ Mikey thing. She's dead against it and I'm all for it. I love Mikey!*
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It definitely makes sense what you say.
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I guess that's the important thing here.
Would established relationship/revisiting of earlier scenes replace first time/early relationship fic? Or would there rather less fic be written? Or would people start thinking about other pairings a lot more? Who knows, maybe you'd become a fan of established RS if you had a canon couple... Or we had a predominant Fraser/Stella fandom...
I'd trade an awful lot of fic-reading for the chance to watch Fraser and RayK in a heavy liplock.
God, can you imagine the struggle going on in my brain? "It would mean a lot less of first time fic" - "But they'd be snogging!" - "A lot of UST would be gone." - "But they'd be SNOGGING!"
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