Warnings Readers Will Find on Kynx_Fic & Why

Jul 27, 2009 15:45

The following metaesque rant is the subjective opinionated opinion of Kit84 and Jynnxx, we have next to no interest in telling other people what to do or how to do it, this is how we do it and why. Questions, alternate opinions and discussion is welcome.

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enchantr July 27 2009, 15:38:43 UTC
Huh. *Bemused huh* I had no idea all this other stuff was going on. Never heard of "bandom", "bandflesh" (still don't quite know what that is, frankly, even after reading several articles on it just now) and the whole warnings, censorship, piling on dealio ( ... )

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jynnxx July 27 2009, 16:01:36 UTC
Yeah, is kinda weird how these things circulate in fandom, had most of this post written as a response to the stuff happening a few months back and then it hit our little corner and I wished had posted last week or something but we didn't, so here it is now ( ... )

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orangesnrg July 27 2009, 16:45:30 UTC
Am hoping I did this right because I can't go back and edit my post. :/

The difference, or one of the differences between published fiction and fanfiction is that published fiction is reviewed, critiqued, has amazon reviews and all the other places that do reviews. So no, they don't label their novels the same way as we label our fic, but neither do they have the kind of personal relationship and direct contact that we do with our readers.

Well fuck, that has a lot to do with everything. The fact that we can all get personal here should actually make things easier for both the authors and for the readers. For the authors, you tend to know what your readers like and don't like, so as you get to know them and write more, you can sense what needs to be warned and what doesn't.

It makes things easier, or at least should make things easier, for the reader. As an avid reader in a certain bandom, you start to see a trend in what kind of themes certain authors like to write, whether it's dark!fic or fluff, and you should be able to make ( ... )

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jynnxx July 27 2009, 17:23:36 UTC
Well fuck, that has a lot to do with everything. The fact that we can all get personal here should actually make things easier for both the authors and for the readers. For the authors, you tend to know what your readers like and don't like, so as you get to know them and write more, you can sense what needs to be warned and what doesn't.

Exactly, can forgive a lot when someone is writing first/second/third fic and maybe touching on topics new to them, but there is a core set of warnings that really go without saying, rape, non-con, character death, abuse, self harm, dub con, angst, kink, physical harm, gore, even if fandom doesn't come with an instruction book, which really, it should, it doesn't take a lot of experience to know that these are triggery topics.

Warnings shouldn't be a problem, but we included the links at the top of the post to kinda show it's a pan-fandom issue. So yeah, agreed again, it shouldn't be an issue but it is and it's not just us, hopefully discussing it will help ( ... )

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acustica July 27 2009, 17:21:31 UTC
I don't have much to add aside from agreeing to all of this.

We want to write fics that are so realistic some might find them triggering, we want to be that damn good and if we do it, we take it as a compliment.

I believe you guys are aware that your fics are triggering and have been for me in the past. I read the warnings and I read at my own risk but I liked it anyway, even if it kind of drove me crazy for a sec there >.> so yeah late compliment :P you manage to get someone who's been "recovered" for more than two years to freak out XD

Aside from that I just wanted to comment that I read 'cause I'm nice? IDK I'm kind of spacey today. Also I don't particularly think warnings ruin a fic for me. I think there's a difference between warning for "character death" and making the warning "CAUTION JARED DIES! HE GETS RUN OVER BY GEESE" I'll probably read just to find out who dies XD so I think the highlighting might be a bit much. Well for me anyway, idk how other people feel about a "character death" warning being spoilery.

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jynnxx July 27 2009, 17:47:06 UTC
So if the warnings are appropriate and the reader clicks anyway the responsibility is on them, not the author for writing the 'nasty' topic, whatever it is? Sorry, just trying to make sure I understand ( ... )

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acustica July 27 2009, 19:50:17 UTC
Yeah exactly. If, for example, you guys write a story about Tomo trying to slice his arms open after shannon butt rapes him and you guys warn for cutting/attempted suicide. I know that something like that will trigger the fuck out of me but I think the rest of plot seems interesting and I read it and end up slicing my own arms open it's totally my fault and not yours because the warnings were there and I read them and ignored them.

Yeah, I guess character death isn't everyone's thing but I think that more important than character death is how the character dies. Big difference between peacefully slipping into the great beyond after battling toe cancer than bleeding out from your toe while getting beaten and raped by a monkey. That's just how I see it, the warnings are there for a reason, if I don't like something I won't read it but I don't like to be mislead either

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jynnxx July 27 2009, 21:30:52 UTC
Agreed on the differences and the how, but in those cases the lead up to the character death would be warned for too, I would hope, the how of it probably be more impactful than the actual death. I think warnings should stick to actual fic events too, because shaky territory when we use abstract concepts, yeh will still do it, but one persons angst is not another persons angst, y'know?

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guiltyoftreason July 27 2009, 17:46:30 UTC
WARNING: RESPONSE WRITTEN AFTER FULL DAY AT WORK. MAY CONTAIN CONFUSED POV, RAMBLING, CRIMES AGAINST SPAG AND HATE FOR BILL KAULITZ

Dude, where is the Aliensmademedoit!fic in this fandom? *wants*

It is a pity that more discussions like this can't be had, or that it takes extreme emotion/misunderstandings/author errors/whatever to prompt it.

To me, the above should, for the most part, be a given. In an adult (well, theoretically at least) community where pretty much anything goes, such creative license, where people can find an audience for their work without the might of a publishing house (although the business plans for KynxFic Ltd are coming along nicely, btw), candour is key. That freedom of expression also bestows an element of trust between the reader and the author, and warnings are fundamental. Now what people need warning for is, of course another matter. I will not touch a story if Tokio Hotel are featured anywhere within it in any sort of sexual context you can torture them though, if you like...but there are very few ( ... )

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enchantr July 27 2009, 18:10:26 UTC
*peers over your shoulder into the shopping bag* I see the point!! *points at it* And one over there too.

*wraps both hands around your ankle and allows self to be dragged behind you* So you'll guess I liked what you wrote from that. Either that or that I'm an ankle-dragging pain in the annoyance.

Srsly, I liked what you wrote, esp. the Bill Kaulitz parts. Eww, don't make me look at his parts, ok?

Gonna go eat lunch now and contemplate the immortal status of my own writings in the pantheon of deathless fanfics about SpongeBob and Jared Leto in the bath.

*takes stomach meds first*

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jynnxx July 27 2009, 18:19:53 UTC
Agreed on Kaulitz, srsly, srsly.

Sponge Bob and Jared in the bath you say? *wants* :D :D

Only Kit has a sponge bob trigger, so if we could keep it quiet *looks over both shoulders*

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enchantr July 27 2009, 19:50:02 UTC
*hides funny square spongey guy under the hassock* Did she see? I'll have to get him out of here somehow. *Stuffs S.B.S.P. into the shopping bag*

There, YOU get rid of him while I distract Kit.

So - wanna hear "From Yesterday" on the kazoo??

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20secondstomars July 27 2009, 19:44:48 UTC
I just laughed my ass off *puts ass back on*, although this entry was probably meant to be less funny given the topic ( ... )

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jynnxx July 27 2009, 20:00:23 UTC
*hands you sticky tapes*

We tried to keep it kinda light *hopes* Am not always sure we manage though, so srsly, is good to hear you laugh.

Heh, am so gonna have to write it now :p

There's a difference between non-con and rape, in our heads anyway, non-con being forced sex but the person involved doesn't actually say no (maybe too drunk to consent, unconscious, or fighting it) rape it's made clear that the person doesn't want it and usually violence, those are how we'd define it for warnings on fic anyway.

Your list is a good list, covers everything *g*

We like it *keeps* will attach to next crack fic, sounds really fucking appropriate for the aliens made us do it fic :p :D

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enchantr July 27 2009, 20:02:49 UTC
"extreme fluff, where honey melts out of the screen?!"
Dammit, have you been betaing my story that's been stuck in Writer's Block since before Christmas without asking first? You have? *bats eyelashes flirtatiously* Wanna finish it for me? I know how it ends, I'll even tell you, I just Can. Not. Makez. Self. Write. It.

I thik it's Four's fault, although Three was giggling a lot under the sheet with a flashlight last night.

AssFallOff!Fic warnings may apply. "Afoff" for short.

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jynnxx July 27 2009, 21:51:29 UTC
I loves surprise ninja!betas, they're so awesome :D

1: *lix honey off screen*

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