You know, I think hearing all those dreadful spoilers drained some of the pain out of it for me. I'm still appalled when I think about it, but I found ways to make it NOT SO BAD when there were these little quirks, like the Doctor reminding her that the clone she was left with was as he had been when they met. But still, ick.
But Donna. My wonderful Donna, wiped out of existence. That's hard to take.
There was the odd good bit but it got steamrollered over by the rubbish that filled in the rest of the episode.
hThe clone though and the whole I didnl;t do it it was him, help him Rose just struck me as wrong. The whole oint is that Ten did commit genocide but he just denied all responsibility.
Also the clone is part human part timelord and yet seems to be fine...
What happened to Donna was just awful. It's worse than if she died because it was like we wonlt kill her kill her we'll leave her alive but we'll kill all she is. It sucks. To my mind it would have been better had Donna gone 'Just faking' and gone with Wilf to build a TARDIS in the back garden. She deserved so much more than she got.
She lost it all and there's Rose bitching about not wanting a clone...*sigh*
It was definitely an improvement over Tinkerbell!Jesus!Doctor, I'll give 'em that. Not that that's a compliment!
I think I could have dealt with the clone thing if they'd just handled it better. Although that scene seemed to drag on forever, it should have been longer. They didn't say the right things.
I hope that Donna is able to rebuild her fabulousness. But it's even worse than, say, a dancer losing a leg and having to learn to walk again, because the dancer can remember what it is to walk, and can even remember that she used to be wonderful and graceful. Donna has nearly 40 years of being told she's not worth anything, and I don't think that having the nicest, most supportive mother in the world (won't she wonder what happened?!) is going to fix that.
I may or may not be nursing a Nine and Donna bunny.
I think I really hated that ep. Only I felt so little emotional connection to anything that was happening, hate might be too strong a word. Maybe I only hate Rusty for being so amazingly shit at writing. That was just...awful. Although, the very end did make me laugh because Wilf so obviously has a huge man-crush on the Doctor. That reaction just goes to show how lame I thought this effort was because I kinda doubt laughter was what RTD was going for when he destroyed one of my all-time favorite characters and shit all over the entire last season.
I am feeling rage. Maybe I need to step away from the computer before I say things I'll regret...
I've realized that I've become more angry since I wrote this entry. As I said in my response to Angela, I'd heard all these spoilers before, and so it deadened the impact a little. But, yeah, not happy.
The only thing I've seen that made me grin - and I can't believe I didn't notice this before - was that clone!Ten was wearing a maroon T-shirt under his jacket.
But OTOH, the Doctor dismisses clone!Ten as the receptacle of all his genocide. WHAT????!!!! He gets to disown all that, even though it was him?
But OTOH, the Doctor dismisses clone!Ten as the receptacle of all his genocide. WHAT????!!!! He gets to disown all that, even though it was him?
YES YES YES. What the motherfucking FUCK was that all about. The whole POINT of the post-time war Doctor is that he commited genocide twice over. Where the fuck does he get off acting as though he has some moral high ground. Jesus christ I hated that episode. There were a couple of cute moments, and I thought Jack was brilliant. He is always about 8 million times more awesome on Who than on TW. Catherine Tate acted her ass off. I liked that Marth and Rose hugged. But overall, that was a steaming pile of shit.
I think the only genuine moment I loved was when Jackie faked the Doctor out about her son's name...
No, that was hideous. It's part of the last three series' tearing down of practically everything that was good and right about S1. Rose gets a Ten who's really Nine - so all the downsides of Nine with none of the good sides. Although, he is part Donna, which is a little something. But yick.
God, I really do hate Ten. And I despair of those who cannot see what's wrong with him. It's not even Tennant's lazy acting (see compliments above). It's that he's a self-centered, self-indulgent, smug, arrogant, bastard. I never liked Four all that much, but he never repulsed me the way Ten does. To be honest - and it doesn't reflect well on folks - I think a lot of people just fancy Tennant and are willing to forgive his crap
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One of the things I really liked about the 9th Doctor was there was this glimmer that the Doctor finally was calling himself on his bullshit.
Nine was sorry, had awareness he left a body count, didn't want to bring in anymore companions (well, at first at least) and just had this sense of what he's been a part of.
After all, only the 9th Doctor could give the "There was a war..." speech and make it sound... right.
I simply cannot stand Ten. The more I've thought about the way he manipulates everyone to do his dirty work for him and then fobs his genocidal crap off onto the human version.... I'm getting increasingly livid.
Nine learned about consequences. Ten just refuses to take them on. God, I really am working up a major burst of HATE!
I'm so angry right now, nina, I can't put words to the page. I feel like Nine has been demonized and rejected by this episode. Here ya go Rose....remember this guy, you know the genocidal, mentally unstable, traumatized and evil past me in a leather jacket? So do what you do best and fix him...kthnxbye! WTF WAS THAT? Does RTD hate Eccles that much that they have to unload Ten's hypocritical bullshit on Nine
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I've been numb, and I've been angry, and I've cried, and I'm now exhausted. I don't know. I think I'm going to have to step away for a while. The worst part is that I fear it may have killed my desire to write for Rose at all, which makes it damned hard to write for Nine, which may mean no writing at all.
The worst part is that the two characters who are most screwed in this are the two I loved the most, Nine and Donna.
I just finished watching that episode too. I don't like what happened to Rose. I only understand about half of what everybody is saying. Can I ask you something? Jack has a pendant in this picture. http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff74/swordznsorcery/doctor%20who/ten/4x13/vlcsnap-149720.jpg I don't know what it is, could you explain about this, please? Thank you so much, in advance.
Hi, there! I'll try to explain, although it was very "handwavey technobabble" in the script - basically, they were making it up and trying to make it sound scientific, but it was called a "warpstar". By the way he and Sarah Jane were talking about it, it was an explosion "frozen" or locked/trapped in time, so if they could somehow release the lock, it would make a big boom.
Is that any clearer?! (The science in this show is appallingly bad.)
Sorry poking my nose in. I loathed that thing - if it was going to make as big a kablooey as they were making out a) why did they need to wire it up to anything? and b) when Jack was zapped out of there - and, you know, *dropped it* why didn't it then actually go *kaboom*?
While I could see it not blowing up just being jostled around (because, waytooeasyKABOOM!), it was the biggest deus ex Companion-pocket ever. I mean, I love SJS (2000s SJS even more than original flavour), but having a convenient explosion mounted on a pretty gold-plated accessory?
Above all, this episode was just so sloppy. I rewatched PotW recently, and it's amazing how much better it holds together than any of the other finales. There's still that "Why are they sitting there stripping wires forever and ever?" But all in all, nothing to throw you out of the story to the extent of Tinkerbell!Jesus!Ten or "Hang on to that lever while I suck all the bad guys into the void, why don't you? And oh, don't let go. And noooooo!" with all the subtlety of a Tex Avery cartoon.
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Wilf though was just wonderful.
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But Donna. My wonderful Donna, wiped out of existence. That's hard to take.
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hThe clone though and the whole I didnl;t do it it was him, help him Rose just struck me as wrong. The whole oint is that Ten did commit genocide but he just denied all responsibility.
Also the clone is part human part timelord and yet seems to be fine...
What happened to Donna was just awful. It's worse than if she died because it was like we wonlt kill her kill her we'll leave her alive but we'll kill all she is. It sucks. To my mind it would have been better had Donna gone 'Just faking' and gone with Wilf to build a TARDIS in the back garden. She deserved so much more than she got.
She lost it all and there's Rose bitching about not wanting a clone...*sigh*
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I think I could have dealt with the clone thing if they'd just handled it better. Although that scene seemed to drag on forever, it should have been longer. They didn't say the right things.
I hope that Donna is able to rebuild her fabulousness. But it's even worse than, say, a dancer losing a leg and having to learn to walk again, because the dancer can remember what it is to walk, and can even remember that she used to be wonderful and graceful. Donna has nearly 40 years of being told she's not worth anything, and I don't think that having the nicest, most supportive mother in the world (won't she wonder what happened?!) is going to fix that.
I may or may not be nursing a Nine and Donna bunny.
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I am feeling rage. Maybe I need to step away from the computer before I say things I'll regret...
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The only thing I've seen that made me grin - and I can't believe I didn't notice this before - was that clone!Ten was wearing a maroon T-shirt under his jacket.
But OTOH, the Doctor dismisses clone!Ten as the receptacle of all his genocide. WHAT????!!!! He gets to disown all that, even though it was him?
Yeah, angrier now.
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YES YES YES. What the motherfucking FUCK was that all about. The whole POINT of the post-time war Doctor is that he commited genocide twice over. Where the fuck does he get off acting as though he has some moral high ground. Jesus christ I hated that episode. There were a couple of cute moments, and I thought Jack was brilliant. He is always about 8 million times more awesome on Who than on TW. Catherine Tate acted her ass off. I liked that Marth and Rose hugged. But overall, that was a steaming pile of shit.
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No, that was hideous. It's part of the last three series' tearing down of practically everything that was good and right about S1. Rose gets a Ten who's really Nine - so all the downsides of Nine with none of the good sides. Although, he is part Donna, which is a little something. But yick.
God, I really do hate Ten. And I despair of those who cannot see what's wrong with him. It's not even Tennant's lazy acting (see compliments above). It's that he's a self-centered, self-indulgent, smug, arrogant, bastard. I never liked Four all that much, but he never repulsed me the way Ten does. To be honest - and it doesn't reflect well on folks - I think a lot of people just fancy Tennant and are willing to forgive his crap ( ... )
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Nine was sorry, had awareness he left a body count, didn't want to bring in anymore companions (well, at first at least) and just had this sense of what he's been a part of.
After all, only the 9th Doctor could give the "There was a war..." speech and make it sound... right.
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Nine learned about consequences. Ten just refuses to take them on. God, I really am working up a major burst of HATE!
But I'm going to sleep before my head explodes.
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The worst part is that the two characters who are most screwed in this are the two I loved the most, Nine and Donna.
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http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff74/swordznsorcery/doctor%20who/ten/4x13/vlcsnap-149720.jpg
I don't know what it is, could you explain about this, please? Thank you so much, in advance.
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Is that any clearer?! (The science in this show is appallingly bad.)
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Above all, this episode was just so sloppy. I rewatched PotW recently, and it's amazing how much better it holds together than any of the other finales. There's still that "Why are they sitting there stripping wires forever and ever?" But all in all, nothing to throw you out of the story to the extent of Tinkerbell!Jesus!Ten or "Hang on to that lever while I suck all the bad guys into the void, why don't you? And oh, don't let go. And noooooo!" with all the subtlety of a Tex Avery cartoon.
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