Okay, in the flood of eulogies for Ten/nant, I keep seeing this comment, that Rose only fell in love with the Doctor/had sexual chemistry with him once Ten arrived. I'm sorry, but are people really that bad at reading body language?
I see that a lot among the Ten/Rose shippers. In fact, I even saw one person comment that she simply can't see Nine as a romantic partner for Rose because 'all they ever did was fight'. Leaving aside how few real arguments there were, can anyone actually watch that fight in Father's Day and not see how crazy in love with each other they are?
That's a spectacular example, yes. That's the most painful lovers' quarrel I've ever seen because it was so raw and real - they were both going for the jugular in the way only intimates can. But I'll be honest, I remember watching "Rose" the first time and thinking, "Whoa! How are they letting this go out as children's programming?" The sensuality/sexuality of so much of their interaction, the lingering touch of the hands, the easy way they were in each other's space on that first walk. That's people with a powerful physical attraction, and it only got stronger from there. I still think their chemistry is the strongest thing I've ever seen, and I've just rewatched several Bogart and Bacall movies over the holidays.
I do sort of see how people might not see the sexual tension, just becuase there was a bit of a daddy vibe between Rose and Nine as well that was missing with Ten People might be uncomfortable with that daddy aspect. But, yeah, people who don't see the passion there, from the very first episode, are pretty obtuse.
I never got daddy, I have to say. Teacher/student, yes, but that's also traditionally a relationship that can be highly eroticized. So if they're uncomfortable with it, in a way, they're "not seeing" it because they're covering their eyes, metaphorically? Hmmm.
I do think the Ten/Rose chemistry was much more… conventional? More what you expect from a tv show, especially with youthful/adolescent leads? It didn't interest me (in fact, oddly, that creeps me out even more, because he's supposed to be 900 years old, hello), but yeah, there was a recognizable structure there.
Good grief! They just have to look at how he reacted in Dalek at the thought of losing her, and then getting her back, to know how much he loved her! Let alone how much she loved him! (And, yes Father's Day is a good one to look at for an example, too) *sigh* Silly Ten/Rose shippers.
I'm sure they'll try to say "Oh, well, he was in love with her, but she wasn't interested in him," but every line of her body screams out to me that she was - even those playful moments as in these icons. The way she melts into him twice in EOTW? Why was she on top of him in that "jiggery pokery" scene? As I said above, I felt like I got smacked in the face by their chemistry in the first episode, and that only got stronger as they went along. It's the main reason I love "The Long Game", because their interaction (and the nurse messing with Adam) are about the only decent things in that episode.
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Apparently yes, they are. The chemistry was always there. I didn't necessarily read it as sexual or sensual in "Rose," but only because I've had that instant chemistry with someone before where it was not. (As in, years later, we had some profoundly mind-reading interaction and smiled that same stupid smile at each other and I facepalmed and said, "It's a good thing your wife likes me"). And that doesn't mean it *couldn't* have been, only that I think you could have read it either way
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And that doesn't mean it *couldn't* have been, only that I think you could have read it either way.
I do see what you mean - I have that with my BFF who's a gay man, but there was something about the way that she kept turning her shoulders/chest open to him when they were walking that seemed particularly "inviting", and the way their hands met (framed by the camera, certainly) seemed sensual, at least. Of course, that hand-holding moment became intensely erotic, IMO, in "Father's Day", the way he moves his thumb under hers to take her hand.
I don't know. I just still find Nine/Rose a benchmark in subtle body language that just screams sexual chemistry. It's an odd combination - it also seems, to me, deeply carnal and yet innocent, as in without the shame that comes from "naughtiness" or conventional "sexiness". I even find S1 Rose sexier than Billie Piper in Secret Diary, although I'm a pretty straight female, so maybe I'm not the best judge.
Then they are totally, totally blind. I mean, come on, didn't they raise the age of Rose simply because the sexual chemistry between CE and BP was so incredibly strong they didn't want Rose to be underage? I swear I read that somewhere. And it was that strong.
I saw it clearly for the first time in Aliens of London/End of the World when he gave her a key to the TARDIS. You can't tell me the look she gave him was not frankly admiring his retreating backside. Then when he said he could save the world but lose her. The look she gave him in that moment was totally starry eyed attraction. I do see hints of it before that from her, too, particularly in the cellar scene of The Unquiet Dead. And the very fact that she swings on that chain and saves his life. You don't do that for someone you just met unless there is something there.
Not to mention the tearing the TARDIS open and flying it back to him. For platonic love? I do not think so.
Also, I think these are the same people who don't think Rose and Jack had any chemistry or that Jack and Nine didn't. I mean, I'm not an OT3er for the most part, but I'm also not blind. There was so much chemsitry there between all of them. Just as there is between Ten and Rose and Ten and Jack. Allowing it's there for other characters does not invalidate your particular ship. *sighs*
Allowing it's there for other characters does not invalidate your particular ship.
Oh, agreed! I'm not a Doctor/Master fan, but I'd have to be blind to deny that there's Ten/Master chemistry in spades, and that it's been obvious since tSoD.
What's worse, I think, is when chemistry-deniers put their reaction into fic, for example making the characters state outright (sometimes completely out of the blue) that they never fancied so-and-so, just because the author doesn't ship that relationship. Ignore the chemistry by all means, sure, but what's the point in giving a slap in the face to people who do like that relationship? Whether it's Martha fans having the Doctor say he never loved Rose, or Rose fans having either the Doctor or Rose deny interest in Jack (or Rose saying that she never fancied the Doctor until after the regeneration), it's pretty pointless and clearly just a reflection of the author's own position rather than the characters'.
I think I'd divide it more into chemistry that I care about and chemistry that I don't, rather than "there is" or "there isn't", but maybe a lot of people don't get to that level of distinction.
The only one I'm not sure about is Ten/Jack (keeping in mind that I haven't seen End of Time yet, because I kind of ran out of interest). I thought Jack/John Barrowman was bringing something to the relationship, but I didn't feel/see much of anything coming from Ten/nant. Still, that has an appeal and lots of potential for fic, I just don't go looking for it. (An aside, I think I also have a lot of problems structurally with that aspect of the story, because it just doesn't make sense to me, and it really doesn't make sense for Nine.)
So I think we come to the same conclusion, just from a different angle.
Yeah...I don't get that AT ALL. As a long time fan of DW, their chemistry hit me square in the face in "Rose" as well. All the examples posted are stellar but those longing looks they gave each other when they thought no one was looking confirmed it for me. Just look at Nine in the "The Long Game" or that famous scene in "Boomtown" when he spies on Rose and Mickey on the monitor. And don't think I missed Rose's looks at Nine during "Empty Child" or "The Doctor Dances". Damn!
I was surprised that nothing went on between CE and BP off set because these two were just smoldering on screen as well as some of the behind the scenes photos. Definitely a HOT couple.
I do think sometimes people have to be "told" things because they are, in fact, very bad at reading body language. It's depressing, but seems like a plausible answer.
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I do think the Ten/Rose chemistry was much more… conventional? More what you expect from a tv show, especially with youthful/adolescent leads? It didn't interest me (in fact, oddly, that creeps me out even more, because he's supposed to be 900 years old, hello), but yeah, there was a recognizable structure there.
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I do see what you mean - I have that with my BFF who's a gay man, but there was something about the way that she kept turning her shoulders/chest open to him when they were walking that seemed particularly "inviting", and the way their hands met (framed by the camera, certainly) seemed sensual, at least. Of course, that hand-holding moment became intensely erotic, IMO, in "Father's Day", the way he moves his thumb under hers to take her hand.
I don't know. I just still find Nine/Rose a benchmark in subtle body language that just screams sexual chemistry. It's an odd combination - it also seems, to me, deeply carnal and yet innocent, as in without the shame that comes from "naughtiness" or conventional "sexiness". I even find S1 Rose sexier than Billie Piper in Secret Diary, although I'm a pretty straight female, so maybe I'm not the best judge.
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I saw it clearly for the first time in Aliens of London/End of the World when he gave her a key to the TARDIS. You can't tell me the look she gave him was not frankly admiring his retreating backside. Then when he said he could save the world but lose her. The look she gave him in that moment was totally starry eyed attraction. I do see hints of it before that from her, too, particularly in the cellar scene of The Unquiet Dead. And the very fact that she swings on that chain and saves his life. You don't do that for someone you just met unless there is something there.
Not to mention the tearing the TARDIS open and flying it back to him. For platonic love? I do not think so.
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Oh, agreed! I'm not a Doctor/Master fan, but I'd have to be blind to deny that there's Ten/Master chemistry in spades, and that it's been obvious since tSoD.
What's worse, I think, is when chemistry-deniers put their reaction into fic, for example making the characters state outright (sometimes completely out of the blue) that they never fancied so-and-so, just because the author doesn't ship that relationship. Ignore the chemistry by all means, sure, but what's the point in giving a slap in the face to people who do like that relationship? Whether it's Martha fans having the Doctor say he never loved Rose, or Rose fans having either the Doctor or Rose deny interest in Jack (or Rose saying that she never fancied the Doctor until after the regeneration), it's pretty pointless and clearly just a reflection of the author's own position rather than the characters'.
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The only one I'm not sure about is Ten/Jack (keeping in mind that I haven't seen End of Time yet, because I kind of ran out of interest). I thought Jack/John Barrowman was bringing something to the relationship, but I didn't feel/see much of anything coming from Ten/nant. Still, that has an appeal and lots of potential for fic, I just don't go looking for it. (An aside, I think I also have a lot of problems structurally with that aspect of the story, because it just doesn't make sense to me, and it really doesn't make sense for Nine.)
So I think we come to the same conclusion, just from a different angle.
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I was surprised that nothing went on between CE and BP off set because these two were just smoldering on screen as well as some of the behind the scenes photos. Definitely a HOT couple.
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