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ninedaysaqueen

The Jamey Dodger Society

Mar 19, 2017 23:59

For prevention of cruelty to reprobates.

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*rings gong*

I call to order the first meeting of the Jamey Dodger Society, a group for those who have read a "Thick as Thieves" arc or want to become as spoiled as Varuca Salt.

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inkasrain March 20 2017, 19:48:14 UTC

These are all excellent prompts, but all I can think about is the miscarriage. Kamet's scene with Irene at the end made me cry.

ninedaysaqueen March 20 2017, 20:19:24 UTC

THAT POEM!

That was such a perfect scene. I can tell Kamet really respects Irene, and she was being really sweet too. Such a melancholy scene. One of my favorites in the book.

I do have a working theory that maybe the baby didn't die and was sent away. Everything is from Kamet's POV and thus has to be taken with a grain of salt. He's not nearly as clueless as poor Costis though.

inkasrain March 20 2017, 20:27:34 UTC

...Huh. That's... very interesting. The poem made me think that Irene was saying goodbye to her child, but there is the whole "We will welcome her when she comes again" thing...

You have confused me, NDQ!

ninedaysaqueen March 20 2017, 23:47:27 UTC

I'm confusing myself going back and forth. Is it a double bluff or a triple bluff? Is it just in my head? Of course, I wrote a fic once in which Irene was thinking about sending her baby away for safe keeping, so maybe I'm biased. We shall see in the next book!

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ninedaysaqueen March 20 2017, 20:15:04 UTC

Some initial shower thoughts here ( ... )

(4) On Sandy smallsotong March 20 2017, 20:53:24 UTC

AND THE FIRST THING SHE DOES IS BOX HIS EAR

RE: (4) On Sandy ninedaysaqueen March 21 2017, 00:21:45 UTC

I would want to box his ears too! You've been here the whole time letting me put sand in your food and your were that little truent kitchen boy from before and never told me!

Knowing Kamet now, I could definitely see how he and Thief! Gen got along. Just the way he's like... more people should bite the cook! XD I wonder how much time they spent together?

Re: (4) On Sandy smallsotong March 21 2017, 02:21:56 UTC

Haha I think it also shows that Gen would rather eat sand for months than reveal his hand (or part of his hand) and give up whatever sneaky advantage he has.

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inkasrain March 20 2017, 20:29:33 UTC

Okay, when do we think the boot boy incident happened? It must have been before QoA, right? There's no way Gen was frolicking in and out of Attolia during the war... right?

smallsotong March 20 2017, 20:41:46 UTC

Kamet does mention that Gen was (or looked) significantly younger then. I'm not sure when exactly Nahuseresh started living in Attolia as the ambassador. So it could definitely be when Gen was spying on Attolia for Eddis, or maybe even earlier, when he was spying on Irene for himself?

ninedaysaqueen March 20 2017, 20:44:53 UTC

He was there a few months before QoA started. So Gen was talking to Kamet between TT and QoA. Gen sent him the scroll post-chop. I can't believe I never thought of this! Gen was looking for a Mede treaty, so of course he befriended Kamet in disguise!

inkasrain March 20 2017, 21:24:47 UTC

Wow. WOW.

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On the twists and turns... smallsotong March 20 2017, 20:51:03 UTC

1. I did guess the big twist (that Nahuseresh wasn't dead) somewhere along the way, maybe around the second time that Kamet is sure that someone will mention it, and nobody does. I'm not sure if that made me like the book more or less. Gen = Boots, I didn't see coming and that was great. Also, Gen's really fond of his boots ( ... )

Re: On the twists and turns... inkasrain March 20 2017, 21:32:39 UTC

I was also thrown by the physical description. I can't remember whether the Aris-alias or the Miras ring came first, but those were my first solid clues. (Though I wasn't sure if Costis would still be wearing a ring like that, given his new devotion to Eugenides.)

(Sidebar, that moment where Kamet is like, "I didn't even bother to remember his name, he was so unimportant!" was the first of several points in the book where I was like, Megan! RUDE!)

As for Costis's size, I suspect that Kamet himself is quite small, which would put Costis in perspective. That, or Costis had nothing to do but the Attolian equivalent of pumping iron, while Gen figured out what to do with him ;-)

Re: On the twists and turns... smallsotong March 20 2017, 22:05:07 UTC

On hindsight, I think that it's the contrast between Kamet's POV (to him, Costis is big) and Costis' POV in KoA (Costis doesn't think of himself as big or intimidating). The farmers do seem intimidated by Costis' size, so maybe he IS objectively big, but that observation is also filtered through Kamet's perspective, so maybe they're responding to something else.

RE: Re: On the twists and turns... ninedaysaqueen March 21 2017, 01:19:02 UTC

Something else that juat occured to me. Kamet and Costis are possibly different races based on their physical descriptions and the farmers could have been as well. So, Costis could be average (six feet) in Attolia and Kamet is average for a Sentran and most of the Medes (5 foot 6 or 7). So, so, so... If a six foot caucasian man went to Japan, for example, he'd be objectively taller than most Asian men but average in Europe or the US and Canada.

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On the gods smallsotong March 20 2017, 21:35:00 UTC

This book expands the Queen’s Thief world significantly, and most of the story takes place outside the ‘little peninsula’, so how much power do the gods of Eddis (aka the old gods of the entire peninsula) have outside their peninsula? Especially since they are so place-based (i.e. they are mountains, rivers).

Do the Mede gods exist? Is that camel-guy really who fever-Costis thinks he is?

RE: On the gods ninedaysaqueen March 21 2017, 00:12:23 UTC

I think the gods have power in thier own land. Ennikar and Immakuk are Medean gods and seem to be doing most of the meddling in this story. Always pushing Kamet back in Costis's direction when he strays. Since they are clearly real, most of the Mede gods are probably real as well. Gen seems to believe in Philia, for example, even though she is an Attolian goddess.

Either Costis was just halucinating or he was able to see the god for some reason and Kamet couldn't. Perhaps, the god healed him?

Re: On the gods smallsotong March 21 2017, 02:28:36 UTC

The Attolian gods aren't native to the peninsula though - they're from the invaders. And we see the old-religion gods doing all of the meddling in the first 4 books. So I wonder if they are more powerful in the land of their origin. The gods and their stories have always been on of my favourite parts of the books, so I think about them a lot.

Also, Ennikar and Immakuk and their hijinks definitely remind me a little of Gilgamesh and Enkidu from the epic of Gilgamesh!

Edited to add:
So, do we think Wine Guy = Immakuk and Camel Guy = Ennikar?

RE: Re: On the gods ninedaysaqueen March 21 2017, 03:06:32 UTC

I should clarify that by their land I also mean the place where they are worshiped, honored, or are a part of the culture. Perhaps, being worshiped is part of what gives them power in a place? The old gods also opporate in Attolia and Sounis, so I doubt any of them are contained to one place. They seem to move freely but perhaps avoid invading other god's territory unless they are assiting their own worshipers?

You know the poetry of Ennikar and Immakuk did remind me of something and it's the Epic of Gilgamesh. You're right! Their adventures also reminded me of Beowulf, esspecially killing the dragon.

I believe that is correct, as I was quite certain from the beginning that the wine merchant was a god. It's interesting how they take such physical form in this story.

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