Douchey Moments in History

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Welcome to another edition of Douchey Moments in History!

"Maybe this is about you being jealous"
You've got to love the way Noah always seems to take ANYONE'S side, other than Luke's. In this clip, Luke overhears Ameera calling the prison and trying to talk to Col. Mayer, after she had told Noah she wouldn't. Luke tells Noah about it, and Noah

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[greek_09]

Yeah, this just disgusts me to no end. Noah's doucheyness just racked up on a larger and larger scale with every single word that came out of his mouth. Especially when he would take Ameera's side (whom he barely knows) and his father's side (crazy lunatic who's tried to kill Luke) over Luke who his boyfriend, the supposed love of his life. Blech.

And the fact that he thinks Luke's never been through hell. Seriously, Noah? The fact that he's been kidnapped multiple times, tried to turn straight by Damian, his parents breaking up and getting back together every five minutes, your dad shooting him, paralyzing him, and kidney failure doesn't matter. Of course, because only Noah's feelings matter right now. How dare Luke actually have feelings?

Only you, Noah, only you.

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Noah's doucheyness just racked up on a larger and larger scale with every single word that came out of his mouth.

So true. And the worst part is that sometimes, in the middle of Noah's most douchetastic moments, I still got the impression that the writers somehow expected us to think that Noah was right and Luke was wrong. And they wonder why their crappy-ass show got canceled!

[amelialourdes]

Then, when Luke couldn't find Noah he went to the police. How dare he! I mean, really, if there's an escaped murderer on the loose and someone you love is missing, how could you possibly think going to the police could be a good idea? Oh. Wait. It IS a good idea, unless you happen to be a DOUCHE!!!

WHAT. A. DOUCHE.

Seriously, there has been no perfect verbal description for a fictional character because that's exactly what Noah is.

I'm watching the clip that follows the last one that you posted ... or at least I think it does and it is so incredibly douche-worthy. Hope you post it so we can discuss! But, Noah? He never takes Luke side for anything. Shouldn't we all know that Luke is wrong about every single thing that's wrong in Noah Mayer's life? Christ. And I've forgotten how much Van can overact with an actor that he has to compensate for. :|

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And I've forgotten how much Van can overact with an actor that he has to compensate for.

Yeah, he really did sometimes chew the scenery when he was sharing the screen with Jake. It's too bad, because he can be such a good actor when paired up with someone who can actually act. Of course, a lot of that is also the director's fault, because Van's acting CAN be fantastic, and it's clear that the directors at ATWT didn't know or care about how to get the best performances out of him when he was sharing the screen with Jake. :\

[rhiannonhero]

I remember reading some actor talking about how they found themselves over-acting a lot when they weren't getting the desired response from the person they were acting against, so they'd throw harder and harder with their own acting, until it was spattered all over the walls, totally out of control. They finally recognized that in themselves, though, and had to pull back. I'm always reminded of that when I watch Van act against Jake.

[_alicesprings]

A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I was reminded of my Van/Luke love (which I'd sort of forgotten about with Nuke) when he was paired with ESS, and they made sparks fly. Two great actors together was fabulous to watch!

[hurgirl41]

Ugh...that is all.

[rhiannonhero]

I feel your pain. See icon. Poor Luke.

[rhiannonhero]

Clip 1:

I am having a hard time with how much I hate Noah. Ugh. God. UGH!

The whole "because she's my wife!" comment. I know that a lot of us seem to interpret the writers as trying to make Luke out to be the bad guy in this scenario, but given everything in Noah's past, including his beard-thing with Maddie, I get the impression that the writers see Luke as being pretty on the money here with his critique of Noah's motivations. I mean, seriously, does Noah even know that Ameera is not his wife, or that they're not together? It doesn't seem like it. It seems like he's pretty happy being able to play out that whole heteronormative thing that his father wanted for him, and that he always wanted for himself, except for that pesky Luke, always pointing out the obvious. How dare he???

Clip 2:

"If he kidnapped Ameera!" Ugh. What about Luke, douche? The one who you supposedly love and whom your father has tried to kill twice? What about him? You don't seem to give a rats ass about him or how he might be feeling. Ugh. HATE

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I know that a lot of us seem to interpret the writers as trying to make Luke out to be the bad guy in this scenario, but given everything in Noah's past, including his beard-thing with Maddie, I get the impression that the writers see Luke as being pretty on the money here with his critique of Noah's motivations.

Sometimes I'm pretty convinced that the writers didn't even know what story they were telling. Or maybe different individual script writers wanted to tell different stories, and the head writers just didn't care enough to rein them in and make them tell a story that was consistent from one episode to the next.

why on earth did Luke ever, ever, ever put up with this? From anyone?

I actually understand that part pretty well. That's one thing that, IMO, the writers actually were pretty consistent on -- that Luke had incredibly low self esteem; that didn't think he'd find anyone to love and, when he found Noah, didn't think he'd ever find anyone else; and that he always thought everything that went wrong was his fault.

[rhiannonhero]

That's one thing that, IMO, the writers actually were pretty consistent on -- that Luke had incredibly low self esteem; that didn't think he'd find anyone to love and, when he found Noah, didn't think he'd ever find anyone else; and that he always thought everything that went wrong was his fault.

Oh, I completely agree. *sigh* My questions were more rhetorical than actual. I completely agree with this take on Luke.

Sometimes I'm pretty convinced that the writers didn't even know what story they were telling. Or maybe different individual script writers wanted to tell different stories, and the head writers just didn't care enough to rein them in and make them tell a story that was consistent from one episode to the next.

This makes a hell of a lot of sense. I tend to think you're right here. The storytelling was always ambiguous and not strong. And not strongly ambiguous. :P It was just a mess because the viewers never seemed to know what they were supposed to be taking away from the show.

[rhiannonhero]

"You shouldn't have turned her over to the police!", shortly followed by, "Ameera's in police custody now; you can't touch her!" to his father. Huh. Suddenly, Luke turning her in doesn't seem like such a bad idea, does it, Noah? Love how Noah's all self-righteous when he says that, like he owns it now, even though he was just disowning it to Luke. Such a prick.

Clip 3

I wonder what Lucinda is thinking there at the end? As she watches Noah walk off, she has a total, "WTF is your problem," look on her face, and then she turns to Luke like, "WTF?" and then her face melts into concern for Luke. She knew Noah was being a douche.

I just think Noah's an abusive jerk, and the only way he will function in this world is to have someone as his lover who can take him in hand and make him obey. Anyone that Noah has power over -- any male anyway -- Noah will abuse and treat like shit. It's awful. :(

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Love how Noah's all self-righteous when he says that, like he owns it now, even though he was just disowning it to Luke. Such a prick.

I KNOW! It's like it's okay that this has happened, just not okay that Luke is the one who did it, or something equally fucked up. Such a total prick!

I just think Noah's an abusive jerk, and the only way he will function in this world is to have someone as his lover who can take him in hand and make him obey.

I think that could work, but I'm not sure it's the only way. I think he might also do well with someone older... like a gay Dusty type, or a Brian type. Noah always seemed to me to be pretty deferential and respectful around older men, and even though I think he'd probably do quite well if a strong Dom took him in hand, I think he also might do well with someone who wasn't a Dom but was older and/or in a position of authority.

[rhiannonhero]

like a gay Dusty type

Well, I think there's no doubt in my mind that Dusty was more dominant than Noah.

I think he also might do well with someone who wasn't a Dom but was older and/or in a position of authority.

Oh, no, that's what I meant. I think he'd do well with either or both. Like, he just has to have someone in his life as his partner whom he respects, and that person is going to have to be more dominant than he is, whether it's because he's a Dom or because he's older or both. In my mind, the Dom would be of course older, LOL! Like, I think that would be the only way it would work. I actually doubt a younger Dom or a Dom his own age would work for Noah. He needs to sort out his daddy issues, and thus needs an older man in his life, imo, someone who will approve of him, and give him affection, and keep him in hand. I mean that whether the guy is a Dom or just an older man who can keep Noah in a position that is less dominant in their life together. Any time Noah has the upper hand with someone, I think he'll abuse

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I think because I talk about that a lot you might've read a bit more into that sentence than I intended.

Yes, you're right, I definitely was reading more into your comment than was actually there. I know you've said things before along the lines of how you think Noah is a sub who needs a Dom; it wasn't actually in this comment, but I was reading it there anyway!