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carrythelantern April 2 2006, 07:53:08 UTC
yeah, the fact that we're already spending about 4 billion dollars a year to keep aliens out really shows how messed up the system is. If there were rigid laws in place to crack down on businesses hiring illegal aliens, the problem would almost work itself out naturally because the aliens would then go through the process of becoming a citizen so they could get a job. It shouldnt be like "hey, we have to keep all these mexicans out of our country!" which is pretty much the message that bush is sending... that only furthers the racism problem in america. Them being here isn't the problem so much as they're not really paying taxes and they get to take advantage of america's laws that gives free health care to illegal aliens. If they realized that had to become paying citizens of our country to get jobs, they would do it, so this issue is DEFINITELY the fault of the businesses who hire them. And of course bush is squandering our money to make americans look like bigots yet again.

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obey_mydog April 3 2006, 01:45:50 UTC
Yeah, although i really couldn't care less about them getting health benefits because that's probably just a way the government has tried to mitigate some of the injustice these people live with due to the terrible conditions a lot of them work in. And it's not like huge corporations aren't raping our government for billions more than the illegal immigrants ever could. I think more needs to be said about how the undocumented workers are being treated; many of them deal with terrible treatment by their employers just because they're afraid of speaking up and getting deported. Meanwhile they get paid less than minimum wage, are barred from unionizing, work unbelievably brutal hours, and get no benefits (i believe it's only emergency health care, but regardless, they still have to be well-informed enough to know of the program in the first place). We have with undocumented workers today what amounts to feudal europe, where the serfs are having the government-sanctioned boots of businesses forced into their throats.

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carrythelantern April 3 2006, 06:02:30 UTC
yeah, by health care i meant that they have to know of the one specific hospital where the program is in place, and then they have to get in huge lines to wait for second-rate service. but yeah, by no means should employers think it is alright to treat non-citizens as almost sub-human... especially when these people are only trying to escape from their own countries where American business is also using them as sweatshop labor. It's like its only ok for them to work for us if they're still living in the squalor of their own countries. I just dont understand how dollars are more important than human lives.

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obey_mydog April 3 2006, 13:26:35 UTC
I know I sound like a complete socialist, but the reason this crap happens is because capitalism is a system that rewards and glorifies greed. The free market can never be trusted to make moral decisions; in fact, it discourages any participant from going out of their way to help anyone. That's precisely why the government has to be the one to look after people. That's tough though when so much of our congress is in the pockets of major corporations just because they can keep people in office by providing huge campaign funding. That's why it's imperative right now to have some form of public financing of campaigns to stem this ridiculous practice of selling out the interests of the american people for personal gain.

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pacorock April 2 2006, 18:51:10 UTC
yeah fuck bush...

or is he a genius?

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pacorock April 3 2006, 13:28:25 UTC
evil genius maybe.

scratch that, evil idiot.

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jeanmarie0317 April 3 2006, 23:00:42 UTC
so...i actually read this and i have to say that i agree with you mr. geohagan. you explained your argument much better in writing than when you ramble about it for half an hour :)

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the_dan_chug April 4 2006, 06:18:12 UTC
i really would loose alot of sleep over this and a very long list of other things if i hadn't conceded years ago that the problems were too old and too big to be fixed by our government in our lifetimes (short of some unrealistic sweep of every office by people that don't have to compromise their own morals and the actual wishes of thier constituants to get the money to be elected to office). our democracy is a broken system...just like welfare and social security and blah blah blah. it's america. love it or leave it. (i wish i could)

and that was certainly the longest single sentence i've ever written.

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the_dan_chug April 4 2006, 06:20:00 UTC
dan culpepper for president.

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obey_mydog April 4 2006, 14:50:32 UTC
touche... whatever you do though, don't vote republican

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the_dan_chug April 4 2006, 16:29:17 UTC
the electoral college is a broken system, so i don't vote.

i will vote in local elections when i end up somewhere, but presidential elections are crap.

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pacorock April 4 2006, 16:48:13 UTC
i also wanted to make it known that i hate all white people everywhere.

idiots, they are all a bunch of idiots. down with whitie!!!!

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big_an April 4 2006, 17:33:27 UTC
you're acting like such an immigrant

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pacorock April 4 2006, 22:42:54 UTC
thats it, im not cleaning your toilets or cutting your grass until you appologize Senor Andy.

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big_an April 4 2006, 23:17:10 UTC
lo siento. i love you.

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