Separate But Equal

Jul 10, 2010 23:56



About a month ago, I wrote a post about the state of women's education in chabad.

So it seems  that the state of men's education in chabad is not much better.  From this post in this thread:

Most guys cannot learn Gemara at all. Most guys don't know any hebrew grammar. Most guys can't learn any chassidus beyond sichos and maamarim of the Rebbe; and ( Read more... )

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hamaskil July 11 2010, 04:08:18 UTC
What is the typical graduate prepared to do?

Singing "Yechi" doesn't require any sophisticated education. Just regular brainwashing would do as well.

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hamaskil July 11 2010, 04:11:10 UTC
If you want to know how to learn Gemarah, you have to go to a litvishe yeshivah :)

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onionsoupmix July 11 2010, 04:26:49 UTC
yeah? What about chumash with rashi? What yeshiva do we go to for that?

Seriously, are the schools really like this? It is so unbelievable.

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hamaskil July 11 2010, 04:40:01 UTC
Come on, I can read Chumash with Rashi :)

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onionsoupmix July 11 2010, 04:52:13 UTC
Ok, we will send our kids to your yeshiva then ;)

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This posting has no connection with reality march_30 July 11 2010, 04:37:28 UTC
Just because someone going with an anonymous nom de plume posts something on a blog does not make it true
As someone who has had ample opportunity to study and spend time with many Rabbinical students from the Chabad seminaries over the last decade, I can assure you that "Chofetz Hayim's" screed is without basis

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Re: This posting has no connection with reality onionsoupmix July 11 2010, 04:39:45 UTC
Which schools were they from? What did you study with them? If you read the thread, there seem to be students currently in the system who agree with him...

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Re: This posting has no connection with reality march_30 July 11 2010, 05:12:36 UTC
To this day -and all kinds of Judaic topics -and many of them they seem to be well versed in more standard areas, also
I would not give too much credence to a blog where you really have no clue as to the bona fides of the posters

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Re: This posting has no connection with reality onionsoupmix July 11 2010, 05:29:07 UTC
I know as much about you as I do about them, so that argument fails.

What your comment suggests, though, is that shluchim who end up learning with their congregants are more knowledgeable than the rest, which is a valid and expected point.

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I think it's about indoctrination/socialization, not education anonymous July 11 2010, 04:37:50 UTC
The ultra-frum, non-working, double digit baby having model is beyond unsustainable. I suspect that if groups like this cultivated rigor and analytic thinking in any but their star devotees, people would leave in droves because they'd realize this ( ... )

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Re: I think it's about indoctrination/socialization, not education onionsoupmix July 11 2010, 04:44:57 UTC
I think it would probably depend on the chabad school, but I would never consider schools in crown heights. Regardless of DH and the rest of them. I would consider chabad schools in other places and in fact, one of my kids went to a chabad school for preschool and "we" are still considering Pittsburg for my son when he grows older, although I am REALLY unhappy with that option being that they don't have a 12th grade for the boys.

I don't know about whether my experience was exceptional or typical. I guess in many ways it was typical, in a few unfortunate ways it was exceptional.

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Re: I think it's about indoctrination/socialization, not education anonymous July 11 2010, 14:21:49 UTC
We do the Chabad preschool, with no problems. At that age, the only thing that bugs me is that we have to re-train them that it's "Torah" and not "Teyrah". Small potatoes ( ... )

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Re: I think it's about indoctrination/socialization, not education onionsoupmix July 11 2010, 15:06:45 UTC
I also got the boarding school pressure, I put my foot down and said no way. If there are no schools past junior high, I would consider moving, unless you are willing to work with the public schools. I can't really comment on that b/c public schools vary so much from town to town in quality and willingness to work with observant parents. In some places, the schools are great, so it would not be a big deal, but in other places, it would be horrible.

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mrn613 July 11 2010, 13:17:23 UTC
Without clicking on the link, off the top of my head I would say that the boys who have a tough time learning are the sons of BTs and/or in a large family. The ones who do well with learning get it from home. while you would think that in a large family an older son would teach a younger son, in reality the boys go to boarding schools or 14 hour a day programs from a young age and are not around to mentor younger boys ( ... )

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Gotta love it chanief July 11 2010, 22:45:34 UTC
It never ceases to amaze me that Lubavitch, a sect that seeks to bring people close to yiddishkeit and make baalei teshuvas out of them, then turns around and discriminates against BT's and their children blatantly and without the tiniest scrap of shame about it. It's really sick.

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